Stiff suspension? No sway bars?

[feelyx]

I had a 71 911T with no swaybars and stock suspension, while it was easy to toss into the corners, too many corners in a row you would start to loose control, and it was one car you could not brake hard in a corner without spinning it. I would experience so much lean in tight corners that I could pick up pebbles off the road. It would also follow the groves in the road like a train on a track. That T was the most fun of all the 911's I've owned.
feelyx

[stephen wilson]

Listen to Blue, you'd have to have springs stiff enough to knock your fillings out. The ride would be worse than a traditional setup with swaybars, and grip would suffer unless you were on a billiard-table smooth surface. The only place I've seen this successfully done is on very light Formula style race cars, and even then most still use small bars.

[MaxD]

I have an E36M3 race car and it is very common to run without a rear bar while running somewhat high spring rates. I do. This all comes down to driver preference and limitations of the outdated semi trailing arm suspension. The transition to putting power down mid corner to exit is the issue.

As designed the boxster suspension does a pretty good job. Feel free to to log some data without bars and a wide array of springs, would love to see the plots.

How much money and time did McLaren spend on the development of the suspension of the MP4-12C?

I bet the boxster is faster with bars.

Max

[stephen wilson]

It's common on front engine/rear drive cars to run without a rear bar to increase corner exit traction, but he's talking about eliminating front and rear bars. big difference!

[Mrmaddbrad]

I still feel like some one should try it :P It's not like it takes long to do it. Just for like 1, non points, autocross. Heck, maybe I'll do it lol. I do have access to a lift lol.