300 C Hemi vs 2002 Boxster S - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

SC986 · 02-26-2007, 04:19 PM

My friend just traded his 300 on a brand new one with a Hemi over the weekend. Of course we had to go to lunch today in the new car.

He was giving me crap saying he was sure he would take my Boxster S. He did not have much concern over the weight of the 300, saying the difference in HP, torque and more cubic inches would more than make up for it.

Any thoughts?

TriGem2k · 02-26-2007, 04:29 PM

IN NO WAY DO I APPROVE OF STREET RACING, However, I have run up against one of these on Interstate 5 around the Irvine, CA area.

The 300C may have lots of HP and Torque but it's just not a quick car. My Boxster kept a steady pace ahead of it but I could not lose it. It was about 1.5 car Lengths in distance. I would suspect your S model should have no trouble. Not too sure about how the two would do from a dead stop, but highway the Boxster wins hands down.

This story maybe different if faced with a 300 SRT-8. NOW that's a Monster.

hdpt73 · 02-26-2007, 04:29 PM

his lunch will be eaten...

racer_d · 02-26-2007, 04:41 PM

What does he mean by "take".. stoplight drag?

BTW.. Hemi Charger - 340hp.. 390ft-lb of torque... 4,000lbs ~ 11.7 lb/hp

Boxster S - 252hp.. no torque

2900lb ~ 11.5 lb/hp

From a stoplight.. well.. do you like your clutch? That damn hemi is fast, but its also pretty darn heavy. I wouldn't sweat it, especially if you make it go through some turns

02-26-2007, 04:39 PM

I say, take it to the track! Then you'll show him.

djomlas · 02-26-2007, 04:42 PM

let us know how it plays out

SC986 · 02-26-2007, 04:53 PM

He was talking off a light.

I agree, I'm pass the street racing days. I didn't drive it and he only got into it when we were moving, not from a standstill so it's hard to tell just how fast it is.

It growls, and is very quick for a car that size, but it was hard for me to believe he could take me in the quarter or eight mile. He seemed pretty confident though.

Mine has yet to make a appearance it work, so he hasn't ridden in mine. We are meeting up at a friends to help move a spa Saturday, might just have to drive the S

djomlas · 02-26-2007, 05:54 PM

what do the factory 1/4 miles say for both cars?

threpwood · 02-26-2007, 06:12 PM

Most likely he'll eat you in straight line, but not by far. Of course driving skills is another factor.

I say take it to track to those curvy roads and see how far you'll leave him behind

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC986

My friend just traded his 300 on a brand new one with a Hemi over the weekend. Of course we had to go to lunch today in the new car.

He was giving me crap saying he was sure he would take my Boxster S. He did not have much concern over the weight of the 300, saying the difference in HP, torque and more cubic inches would more than make up for it.

Any thoughts?

C5150 · 02-26-2007, 06:42 PM

My dad can beat up your dad..... I think that your friend is jealous, cause he owns a boat, and you own a sports car.

Darkhamr · 02-26-2007, 06:51 PM

a quick look up shows the 300C hemi as 5.9 and 14.4 compared to an '02S at what 5.5 13.9 I think? Since his is an auto how good are you with the stick? LOL Could be close if you are not perfect.

Bavarian Motorist · 02-26-2007, 07:37 PM

This is comparing apples to bricks, and yes, the 300c is the brick.

Anyways, the higher hp car will generally always pull away at higher speeds. (110+)

Especially w/ a difference that large.

However, I am almost CERTAIN that his car is electronically governed and yours is not. Therefore, in a straight line race, stock for stock, you would eventually out-top his top speed and win

I'm not suggesting you try it, either!

Slashmatt · 02-26-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bavarian Motorist

Anyways, the higher hp car will generally always pull away at higher speeds. (110+)

Especially w/ a difference that large.

This is absolutely not the case. Horsepower is only part of the equation. Aerodynamics, however, dictates how much power is needed achieve higher speeds.

A Boxster has a much smaller frontal area and probably (though not definetely) a better coefficient of drag than the 300C.

This is why bullets are shaped like bullets and not like, well you know, bricks.

Adam · 02-26-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkhamr

a quick look up shows the 300C hemi as 5.9 and 14.4 compared to an '02S at what 5.5 13.9 I think? Since his is an auto how good are you with the stick? LOL Could be close if you are not perfect.

^ I totally agree. The non SRT 300C isn't exactly what I'd call a quick car. It's decent but a boxster S should handle it if the driver knows how to drive.

paracap · 02-27-2007, 10:00 AM

I agree with most of the posts but also consider that the Hemi with 340HP will beat your Bosxter in a 1/4 mile, however, you will beat it at top speed and on a road course.

American car manufacturers think that building a sports car is just to place a big engine in a car frame and thats it. Look at the Corvette and Mustang. They both have 500 plus HP and will beat any Boxster on a drag strip. Are they good race or sports cars? I don't think so. How many races have they won? The Boxster will leave them in the dust on a road course.

Porsche has won more races than any other car manufacturer by a factor of about 10. They're in business to build road race cars and have been very successful at it.

02-27-2007, 10:49 AM

Ummm... look at some scca classes, the vettes are class killers.

Bavarian Motorist · 02-27-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by paracap

I agree with most of the posts but also consider that the Hemi with 340HP will beat your Bosxter in a 1/4 mile, however, you will beat it at top speed and on a road course.

American car manufacturers think that building a sports car is just to place a big engine in a car frame and thats it. Look at the Corvette and Mustang. They both have 500 plus HP and will beat any Boxster on a drag strip. Are they good race or sports cars? I don't think so. How many races have they won? The Boxster will leave them in the dust on a road course.

Porsche has won more races than any other car manufacturer by a factor of about 10. They're in business to build road race cars and have been very successful at it.

That's not entirely true.

It's true that the manufacturers have to cheap out on Corvettes and Vipers (really the only 2 american sports cars aside from the solstic and sky) to make them cheaper, but they are still very solid cars in all types of performance, especially the viper.

<3 Vipers

Brucelee · 02-27-2007, 12:46 PM

"They both have 500 plus HP and will beat any Boxster on a drag strip. Are they good race or sports cars? I don't think so. How many races have they won? The Boxster will leave them in the dust on a road course."

This is the funniest post I have ever seen.

Tell you what, you bring your Boxster, I will drive the new Zo6 and we will head out to any top notch road course.

Bring your title, as I am going to getting a free Boxster.

Now, in regard to your comment on the Hemi, no one at Chrysler thought they were building a SPORTS CAR.

The 300 is a large sedan with a big ass motor.

No one thinks otherwise.

Brucelee · 02-27-2007, 12:47 PM

PS- Corvette has dominated the AMLS race series for about the last 4 yrs.

Brucelee · 02-27-2007, 12:48 PM

"Porsche has won more races than any other car manufacturer by a factor of about 10. They're in business to build road race cars and have been very successful at it."

It is noteworthy that Porsche stays away from the C6 class in Lemans racing. They also stay away from Audi in P1 class.

Wonder why?