Swapping engines

[LoneWolfGal]

More proof the compression tool was made of soft metal and therefore the defendant is not just a careless idiot who overtightens things. If it please the Court, I present the following photograph as Exhibit 1:



Note the 6mm wide, 1mm deep channel in the shaft near the threads. The nut was full of metal bits from the damaged threads and therefore difficult to turn, so the defendant used a pair of small vice grips to hold the shaft. Apparently, the vice grips weren't cinched down enough, so they carved the channel during a single rotation of the shaft. A channel of this depth could not be created so quickly unless the metal was soft.

And so, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I submit to you that this entire fiasco resulted from too-soft metal and therefore LoneWolfGal is innocent of boneheaded workmanship.

The defense rests.

[LoneWolfGal]

I located some left-hand threaded rod, M5x0.8 thread size, at Grainger:



https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/threaded-rods-studs/fully-threaded-rods-studs?searchQuery=Left-hand+threaded+Rod%3A+M5x0.8+Thread+Size&sst=4&searchBar=true&tier=Tier+4

One problem: They're closed on Saturday and late afternoon Portland traffic is suicidal, so it will have to wait until Monday. In the meantime I'll try to figure out how to open the convertible top manually so I can put the car into service mode.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal

I located some left-hand threaded rod, M5x0.8 thread size, at Grainger:



https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/threaded-rods-studs/fully-threaded-rods-studs?searchQuery=Left-hand+threaded+Rod%3A+M5x0.8+Thread+Size&sst=4&searchBar=true&tier=Tier+4

One problem: They're closed on Saturday and late afternoon Portland traffic is suicidal, so it will have to wait until Monday. In the meantime I'll try to figure out how to open the convertible top manually so I can put the car into service mode.

I was wondering if you were going back to the place you originally got the tool or get the Grainger allthread I told you about. It looks like Grainger's may be a harder metal. At least it's steel. Get a new left-handed nut. Grainger sells a bag of 50 for $1.61.
https://www.grainger.com/product/Hex-Nut-M5-0-80-Thread-22YK31

I imagine they are not high demand parts, so I'd make sure they have them in stock before driving all that way. You may have to order them in advance.

Still, it makes me wonder how the guy whose video I posted got away with using a modified aluminum rod.

Regardless, good luck. I hope you get past this without any more troubles and you have smooth sailing the rest of the build.

[LoneWolfGal]

Originally Posted by piper6909

I was wondering if you were going back to the place you originally got the tool or get the Grainger allthread I told you about. It looks like Grainger's may be a harder metal. At least it's steel. Get a new left-handed nut. Grainger sells a bag of 50 for $1.61.
https://www.grainger.com/product/Hex-Nut-M5-0-80-Thread-22YK31

I imagine they are not high demand parts, so I'd make sure they have them in stock before driving all that way. You may have to order them in advance.

Still, it makes me wonder how the guy whose video I posted got away with using a modified aluminum rod.

Regardless, good luck. I hope you get past this without any more troubles and you have smooth sailing the rest of the build.

I'm definitely going to contact the company that sold me the tool and express my dissatisfaction. But before that, I'll let my friend the metal fabricator have a look at it, get his take.

Thanks for pointing me to Grainger; that was a good call. Their threaded rod has a tensile strength of 55,000. Wish I knew the tensile strength of the one I bought. Grainger's rod is one meter in length, so I could make ten 10cm-long compression tools out of it! Then I can dole them out to folks who are attempting the same procedure, along with a prayer book.

[LoneWolfGal]

Update from Grainger:

Web Price
$6.66/ each
Ships from supplier. Expected to arrive on or before Tue. May 13.

May 13 wouldn't work for me. Unless...while waiting for it to be delivered I could drop the original engine. And if the rod still hasn't been delivered I could unbolt the transmission and bolt it on the new engine with a new clutchplate and throwout bearing. Which reminds me, are M96 flywheel bolts single use only? Haven't seen any references.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal

Update from Grainger:

Web Price
$6.66/ each
Ships from supplier. Expected to arrive on or before Tue. May 13.

May 13 wouldn't work for me. Unless...while waiting for it to be delivered I could drop the original engine. And if the rod still hasn't been delivered I could unbolt the transmission and bolt it on the new engine with a new clutchplate and throwout bearing. Which reminds me, are M96 flywheel bolts single use only? Haven't seen any references.

Maybe this place can get them to you faster?
https://accu-components.com/us/left-hand-thread-threaded-bars/409371-HTBL-M5-1000-A4?google_shopping=1&c=2&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADI7_w57vz2S-a5EuY8ShHnKa0XBa&gclid=CjwKCAjwn6LABhBSEiwAsNJrjqzn0v3UBW_rck_eByir Phj6HkeKNTvzkQTYQLJGmKplfkA7lzsy6xoCM6AQAvD_BwE

They are pricier, and 10cm long instead of 1 meter, but if they get to you in a better time...

They also sell new nuts, which I strongly recommend.

I just checked their site and standard shipping is 5 days, expeess is 3 days.

But then you only get one shot and if it strips out, you're back to square 1. I think going with Grainger and pulling the engine out while you're waiting may be your best bet

[LoneWolfGal]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Maybe this place can get them to you faster?
https://accu-components.com/us/left-hand-thread-threaded-bars/409371-HTBL-M5-1000-A4?google_shopping=1&c=2&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADI7_w57vz2S-a5EuY8ShHnKa0XBa&gclid=CjwKCAjwn6LABhBSEiwAsNJrjqzn0v3UBW_rck_eByir Phj6HkeKNTvzkQTYQLJGmKplfkA7lzsy6xoCM6AQAvD_BwE

They are pricier, and 10cm long instead of 1 meter, but if they get to you in a better time...

They also sell new nuts, which I strongly recommend.

I just checked their site and standard shipping is 5 days, expeess is 3 days.

But then you only get one shot and if it strips out, you're back to square 1. I think going with Grainger and pulling the engine out while you're waiting may be your best bet

Great sleuthing, Al. I like Accu's product better than Grainger's. For one thing, they're stainless steel. For another, left-hand nuts, according to the customer service representative I talked with, are not available from Grainger, which is odd. I ordered a stainless rod and hex nut from Accu, shipping via FedEx. Delivery date is also 5/13, so I'm no worse off.

[Hamstuh]

Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal

More proof the compression tool was made of soft metal and therefore the defendant is not just a careless idiot who overtightens things. If it please the Court, I present the following photograph as Exhibit 1:



Note the 6mm wide, 1mm deep channel in the shaft near the threads. The nut was full of metal bits from the damaged threads and therefore difficult to turn, so the defendant used a pair of small vice grips to hold the shaft. Apparently, the vice grips weren't cinched down enough, so they carved the channel during a single rotation of the shaft. A channel of this depth could not be created so quickly unless the metal was soft.

And so, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I submit to you that this entire fiasco resulted from too-soft metal and therefore LoneWolfGal is innocent of boneheaded workmanship.

The defense rests.

quite the rollercoaster of emotions all for this tool that i now need to buy for my timing job. just off all of this im thinking Pipers nudge towards building the special tool 9632 from the youtube video might be ideal and effective with time and price

[LoneWolfGal]

The engine's at the new place. This was taken just after it was unloaded. I had been sweating unloading it, but I needn't have worried, and I didn't have to use the come-along after all. I merely guided the engine while it sailed down the 4x8 ramp in stately fashion. It began gathering momentum toward the bottom but then it encountered the stack of moving blankets I'd placed there. I attribute the trouble-free unloading to the heavy-duty 4" wheels (with brakes) I installed on the pallet. Moving the 500 lb engine around on a level surface is easy as pie.

[Gilles]

Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal

The engine's at the new place. This was taken just after it was unloaded. I had been sweating unloading it, but I needn't have worried, and I didn't have to use the come-along after all. I merely guided the engine while it sailed down the 4x8 ramp in stately fashion. It began gathering momentum toward the bottom but then it encountered the stack of moving blankets I'd placed there. I attribute the trouble-free unloading to the heavy-duty 4" wheels (with brakes) I installed on the pallet. Moving the 500 lb engine around on a level surface is easy as pie.

Welcome to your new home!

[LoneWolfGal]

Originally Posted by Gilles

Welcome to your new home!

Thanks, Gilles. I'm not finished moving yet, but one more trailer load should do it, except for the Porsche. I'm going to rent an auto hauler for it from U-Haul next week and deliver that 986 to its new digs in style. Then I'm going to kick back for a while to recharge. Moving is rather taxing. As in totally exhausting.

[piper6909]

Do you have AAA? You can get a free tow on a flatbed.

[LoneWolfGal]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Do you have AAA? You can get a free tow on a flatbed.

Al, I had AAA a couple years back but didn't renew it, because State Farm has roadside service. I'm leaning toward using a "tow dolly," which lifts the front and leaves the rear wheels on the road to freewheel. Everyone I've talked to says tow dollies are the way to go for light cars.



https://www.uhaul.com/Trailers/Tow-Dolly-Rental/TD/