Thank Lowski, I was able to get 3 out 4 using your method with 12pt 11/16" socket . The 4 lock lug is on so tight that striped the 11/16 a bit and not biting . I could try to bang in a 12pt 17mm socket. The lt400 25 is too big to fit into the Victor equipment rim. I don't care about damaging the rim as I have a spare rim. Any other ideas on how to get it off? I went to Porsche they told me that the key are discontinued and no longer available. The Porsche mechanic at Porsche has a master key set but missing 3 keys and of course mine is the one with the missing key. I'm hoping I don't have to take it to a shop to get it drill out.