Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 618719)

Nothing last's forever, Craftsman tools lifetime warranty is part of what sent Sears into bankruptcy !

Originally Posted by beater986 (Post 618613)

Just for clarity...the car already has LN's IMS Solution, installed by one of the previous owners at unknown mileage.

Are you suggesting to preventively reinstall another?

Otherwise, what mileage are they good for?

Originally Posted by imhighlander (Post 618660)

Is it crazy to just replace the IMS bearing whenever you replace the clutch? Since you're "in there" it may be worth the additional peace of mind. I know it adds another $700 or so to the price of the job but that seems like pretty inexpensive insurance.

Mine has the LN solution (sticker + install records) but are they truly a "lifetime" replacement?

Originally Posted by beater986 (Post 618613)

Just for clarity...the car already has LN's IMS Solution, installed by one of the previous owners at unknown mileage.

Are you suggesting to preventively reinstall another?

Otherwise, what mileage are they good for?

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 618729)

Yes, it will outlive your engine.

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 618730)

The IMS Solution does not need to be replaced, ever.

Originally Posted by piper6909 (Post 618738)

You state that with such confidence, and you're most likely correct, but why doesn't the actual manufacturer have the same confidence and offer a lifetime warranty instead of just a 5 year?

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 618741)

Simple: They don't have to. They have done their homework, patented the design, and have the reputation with more than 25,000 units successfully installed.

Originally Posted by piper6909 (Post 618724)

The warranty is only good for 5 years, regardless of mileage.

Originally Posted by RobT987 (Post 618744)

That sounds like a better warranty than Porsche's standard powertrain warranty.

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Originally Posted by piper6909 (Post 618722)

Many companies offer lifetime warranties for items costing much less than that. Snap-on tools, Delta faucets, Raybestos brakes, ect. etc.

When they charge $1850 for a kit that cost them less than $100 to manufacture (yes, I understand a percentage goes for R&D, but not THAT much), and call it a "permanent solution" they should put their money where their mouth is.

If they won't ever fail then it wouldn't be a bad business decision, would it? They already pre-qualify the health of the engine before the "solution" gets installed, and only honor their current warranty if it is installed by an authorized mechanic, so DIYers are shut out. After all that, why would it be a bad business decision to offer a lifetime warranty?

EPS offers the same warranty as LN, but their product is less than 1/3 the cost of the LN "solution." And they don't void the warranty if an DIYer installs it.

I actually believe that the LN Solution may be a better product, so I'm not here to argue which is better. But at more than 3 times the cost, they should offer much, much better warranty, IMO.

Originally Posted by piper6909 (Post 618745)

Yes, but Porsche never claimed that the car was a "permanent solution" ;)

Originally Posted by tonythetiger (Post 618752)

Im not mad about it, but dont like to see folks taken advantage of either by fear that has in part been propagated by those with the most to gain. and gain they did. They could have insured the solution with underwriting for pennies.

Originally Posted by Gilles (Post 618753)

Actually they did (indirectly) as Porsche considered the IMS was a 'Non Serviceable Item' which (by the way) you could not buy from them by itself.
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Originally Posted by tonythetiger (Post 618752)

I think Im right there with you Piper. Do the math and the numbers for revenue with LN, RND, IMSolution (same people?) around this bearing and its staggering. R & D really isnt an issue. They are modifying a flange that has already been engineered. A buddy (career car engineer but still) in Detroit sourced 25 dollar bearings (yep, 25 dollars for the double row, or 70 for ceramic doublerow) and would make modified flanges on a lathe to fix a few race cars back in the day. None of them failed. His words: "Its a simple problem, mounting a bearing, please."
The power of volume makes the cost of manufacture for these kits against the retail price LN et. al. charges opportunistic. IMHO, they took advantage of the community and should be fabulously wealthy from it. Im not mad about it, but dont like to see folks taken advantage of either by fear that has in part been propagated by those with the most to gain. and gain they did. They could have insured the solution with underwriting for pennies.

Originally Posted by maytag (Post 618759)

This is so well-stated. Some have bristled when I've suggested there's an agenda behind most of the "help" they offer to the community, even when seemingly unrelated to their products. This is a more overt example.

Personally, I find it offensive that they continue to suggest that "they" (their little circle) are the only ones qualified to work on these cars, or modify, or tune. And those who aren't in that circle but who've "bought into the myth" remind me of the lambs in the back yard who follow my wife around everywhere just hoping she'll pat them on the head.

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Originally Posted by mikefocke (Post 618804)

We live in the world with accounting rules. As soon as LN extends the warranty, the accountants rules will cause them to hold a higher reserve for warranty repairs. Thus not as much profit and/or not as much money to invest in the next product.

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 618782)

Guys, I only try to educate people about the available technology for the vehicle based upon my direct experience with it; at the end of the day, it is your car and your money. If you want to buy a $20 IMS bearing because you do not like the way someone else warrantees theirs, be my guest, no one is holding a gun you your head to make you purchase something else.......................