im not happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

well as i said i sold my porsche 99 12000miles,the person who bought it from me took it to the local porsche dealer and there saying there is $5,000.00 of reparis TO THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i dont know how becasue the car always ran smoothley and never had problems when i drove and now he wants his money back and im going to have my car back with $5,000.00 of work that needs to be done :( :(

well some say when it comes to older cars and repairs/maintenance "pay me now or pay me later" but eventually you will have to pay the repair piper. No free lunches when it comes to porshas.

I'm guessing the dealership is doubling the actual cost of the repairs. So a 7 year old Porsche needing $2,500 in repairs and or maintenance isn't out of this world and should have been factored into the sale price. His fault, you make the deal after you've factored in repair costs not before.

Personally it sounds to me like you got well north of what a low mileage 99 would normaly get but that's got nothing to do with THIS sale. It's a done deal. If you want to be a nice and fair guy you could work with him on the non-maintenance problems. I'm sure if the car only has 10,000 miles its in showroom condition and the guy should keep that in mind, worth fixing.

I don't mean to sound shrewd, but that's not your problem. I bought a used Explorer a year ago and realized that it needed a new transmission shortly thereafter. I had no legal right to run back to the seller and request my money back, so I just chalked it up to a very expensive lesson and sold it for $2000 less than I paid for it (with disclosure, of course).

Same for this guy -- he has two choices now: pay the $5k in repairs, or sell it and likely lose money as I did. You weren't aware the problems existed, you completed the deal and the transaction, so that's his problem; not yours. Go cash your check and buy your new car, and don't worry about his problems.

Hmmmm. Sounds to me like the guy thought a PPI was a post purchase inspection. :ah:

blkboxster,

I don't think buyer has any legal recourse against you unless you agreed to such an arrangement or there was a serious fraud involved, and for used cars from private sellers that's a loser all the time. I find it really hard to believe the stealership can find 5k worth of repairs on a car with only 12k. I'd like to see an itemized list. Scratch that. I don't care about a stinking list. Remember the words, "caveat emptor?"

Tell buyer to shop around.

Go get your new Boxster.

Private party sales are usually "AS IS" without saying...UNLESS you said you'd give him a warranty. If not then i dont mean to sound like a car dealer but you have no reason to return the money and take your car back.

Technically, every used car needs some type of repair. weather the owner knows it or not. and why the hell didnt the buyer inspect it prior to purchasing the car?????

What repairs are needed exactly? Can the buyer provide you with a printout of the repairs needed FROM PORSCHE...not in his own writing.

ahhh you can't return cars 2 days later. if he was so concerned, he would of takin the car to the dealer before he bought the car. the process works differently...you find a car, you take it to your mechanic or the dealer and then you buy the car. you don't buy a car and then take it for certification.

was a sketchy deal anyways.....99 with only 12,000km. not to say that the car wasn't in mint condition. he should realize that the car is a 99.

do not give him his money back. that would be the dumbest thing that you could do. who's to say he didn't mess the car up on the way home. it now legally belongs to him....his problem.

I have a '97 with about 16,500 miles. I have the car inspected about every two months at a local dealership. They put it up on the rack and give it a once over while I watch. They haven't ever charged me for that. But an older Box can build up a repair bill quickly. For example, mine could use the newer roof transmission cables and connectors, $1700+, RMS replaced (hasn't leaked in two weeks) $1350, Airbag light fix $750 (Harnesses and seatbelt connectors). Just replaced a coolant hose $257. The car was PPI'd and sold to me "as is" with no warranty. You just have to learn to live with some of these items. The car looks as new and is near perfect cosmetically. Someone buying an older Boxster should have researched the potential for repairs and acted accordingly. I don't think the seller in this instance has any responsibility to the buyer.

well i went to porsche and this is what they said
1rear main seal is leaking oil-VERY LITTEL
2righr rear strut is leaking fluid-no fluid marks are in my garage
3parking brake needs adjustment
4 need a alignment
5 battery vent tube is missing


well i took my car in 3500 miles ago because coolent was leaking so ALL OF THIS HAPPEND IN 3500MILES

You didnt give the person his money back did you?
If not, then dont. Its there car now weather not they signed the bill of sale yet.

I'm with the consensus in that the car is now the new owner's problem. It's the risk of buying a used car.

$5,000 for the repairs??? I think it's been exagerated or it's absolutely ridiculous for the items you listed. I don't think any of that you should feel guilty about. If the car needs an alignment it should've shown up when the guy test drove it or looked at the tires. If not, than maybe he hit something on the way home? Parking brake needs adjustment? Does it not work??? Even so, how much could this possibly cost, $100 if done at a Porsche dealer? Battery vent tube is missing? Is this even worth mentioning? Go buy the $2 worth of hose and replace it! The right rear strut may leak but it's a 99 for crying out loud! The RMS is the only thing I have no idea how much it would cost to replace but for $5,000 you should get a rebuilt engine with the RMS seal.

Bottom line... TOUGH DOG DOOKY to the new owner!!! I think he got cold feet once he got the car home and is trying to guilt you into taking it back. I'm a firm believer in making things right but this seems a bit much...

A year ago March, I bought my 01 with 24.000 miles on it, from a used car dealership in Pittsburgh. I had a ppi done BUT,, when i got home (900 miles) the front tires were completely worn out.. it was wayyyyyyyyy out of alignment. Cost $220, plus new tires. The air bag light woulnd't go out (disclosed but not a concern to me). Cost - gratis from dealer. A few other small problems showed up a little while later. Did I have any recourse? NO. Did I expect any? NO. And neither should your buyer

I've bought and sold a lot of cars over the years, both individually and through dealers. Always, when I've bought a car from an individual there was something!!! small or not, that needed fixing. Its ONE reason that you can usually get a car cheaper through an individual than through a dealer, there's no warranty buying a car through an individual. And unless your state has some weird laws regarding private sales, you have absolutely NO obligation to buy it back (lacking fraud) Sounds like buyer's remorse to me. Sorry Charlie.

$5,000 for the repairs you listed????? That's completely outrageous! And as was stated, who knows what he's done with the car since its been in his possession? DO NOT give him his money back.

OH.. and ppi means PRE purchase inspection.. Not POST purchase inspection.

Bob

Depends on the state law. Some states have MANDATORY cooling off laws that allow up to 72 hrs for someone to return the car. Some don't, and it is "as is" time.

Check with your DMV before you "take the car back!"

Otherwise, it IS his problem unless you voluntarily take the car back.

Items 3-4-5 are dinky stuff. I would think 1 and 2 are where the money is. While you probably have no legal necessity to say anything but "too bad" to the purchaser, you have to sleep at night, and so does he.
If it were my car, I would see if I could negotiate some kind of amicable price reduction based on a share of the cost of fixing the RMS and the strut.
Sounds like the car is substantially as represented, in spite of having a few problems.

On a private sale? I doubt it.

Depends on the state law. I don't profess to know all 50 state DMV laws, do you?

That is why I suggested he check HIS state laws.

Just the facts ma'm.

I suggest to share half of the cost of RMS fix ONLY with the buyer if you want to be nice.

You took the car in for coolant fix 3500 miles ago. What has happened after that is not related because the dealership fixed it. Any problems from the coolant fix must had been detected during the fix.

Your buyer should be responsible for the cost of strut, parking brake, alignment, battery tube and other silly costs. It is ridiculous if you have to pay for these, I mean he has the box for 2 days (he could had driven the box drunked and crashed it into a pavement). If you pay for these costs (other than RMS), the next thing you may need to pay is the cost of his car wash. It sounds to me like an extortion and it is unfair to you.

Despite the low milage, it is a 99 boxs. As what BoB O said, he should have done PPI before he purchased it from you and not AFTER (tough luck). If he wants you to pay for all of these fix, get a lawyer, take it to court (doesn't sound to me like he has a case anyway). Cost of lawyer is much cheaper than $5000. If he bugs you too often (or threatening you), you can also claim for emotional distress ;)

Unless you had any verbal agreement with the buyer (saying that you will pay for any problem found after inspection), then in all fairness, you don't need to return the money back or pay for any kind of fix.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/usedcar.htm

http://product-liability.lawyers.com/automotive-products-liability/Consumer-Law--Car-Purchase-FAQ.html#eight

well the guys being an ass so im going to get my car back give him his money i know it the stupidst thing to do. ill take the car to my cousin to repair (he owns a pretty good repair place and fix it and ill just have to pay for the labor.and ill put my car out for sale again. and hopefully someone else buys it.

but THANKS ALOT for all the advice

DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi,

Absolutely not! Worst case, give him the $5k. Buyer's Remorse isn't something you should be responsible for at all.

I was surprised you got the money you did (didn't want to say anything negative at the time), it's waay too high for a '99 (at least $5k too high - the same amount as the needed repairs, coincidence...???)

My suspiscion is that the guy, driven by emotion or impulse, jumped at a car too highly priced, regardless of mileage (unusually low mileage on a sports car isn't an asset so far as I'm concerned anyway) and has since become educated as to his mistake (he may even be lurking this list) and is now the Poster Child for Buyer's Remorse.

If not supported by State Consumer Law, you're the second dumbest guy on earth (next to him for paying too much to begin with) if you give him anymore than a partial refund (which you are under no obligation to do). It's his problem, not yours.

You wanna be a nice guy? Donate the $5k to Habitat for Humanity in His name so you can sleep at night. If not, what are you going to do with the next buyer when they experience remorse?

Remember, it's Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware), not Caveat Exigo (Seller Beware)...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

You're taking the car back because the guy's being an ass? LOL... can you give me your phone number so I can call you and ask you to give me $50k? Don't worry; I'll make sure to "be an ass" because then I can be 100% sure to receive my money.

I only wish half the people with whom I've done business rolled over half as easily as you!!! I'd be a very wealthy man.

This entire thread reads like an intervention. A failed intervention.

Wow. I can't believe you're giving him his money back. I'm sure he'd have done the same thing for you. Not.

I completely disagree with anyone telling you to give him some money back. So now the guy got to drive your car for free? If you're going to take the car back (which I don't agree with) I'd personally tell him I'll take it back for $2,000 less than what he paid. Consider it earnest money - or lease payments for while he had the car.

Damn this is stupid...

Giving the money back..
 

may make you feel better but you have no way of knowing that the car being returned is in the same condition it was when sold. The guy may have been buzzing the motor when cold (or worse) for all you know.

As others have suggested, making an offer to split the difference on the repairs would be a VERY generous offer. His lack of knowledge on the market price of the car is his problem as is his choice of not doing a PPI.

The reality is that this is a used car and any prospective buyer should expect that the car is not perfect; that's why he isn't paying $45K for it!

What ever you do--Don't return his money and take the car back!!!!!!

well guys its to late. i got my car back and hes only put 50miles on it.Im tackng my car to my cousine and he said it wont take long to repair im going to the bank shortly instead of me giving the guy back his full 25800 weve aggred that i will only return 25500 of it because of the milleage and him wasting my time,and ill proably use the money to pay the labor cost when i get the car fixed. and after it is fixed ill put it back outside and resell it. It only took me 3 days to sell it to this Fu&K.SO ill hopefully sell it soon


thanks for listening

Sad. Sorry to hear you caved in like that. You've been taken advantage of and will probably live to regret it. The $300 you're getting for his use of the car and your time isn't worth the effort. Oh well. Good luck with your future sale.

Come to think of it.. I hope you're not getting scammed. Its only been two days.. has his check cleared? Even cashiers checks take a while to clear. You might want to wait a few days longer before giving him his money back, but that brings up other issues of who keeps the car in the interim, etc etc. Good luck

Bob

Just curious to know what you would've done had you spent the money before the buyer contacted you about unwinding the deal?

yeah his check cleared today.im about to go to the bank to give him a cashiers check. but thanks for asking

Allow me to play a little devil's advocate here. Let's say you bought a used Boxster from a private party ( and you were stupid enough not to get a PPI ). The next day you take it to the dealer and are told that the car would require $5000 in repairs. Would you :

a. Say "oh well, I should have got a PPI"

or

b. Go back to the guy you bought it from and pitch a fit ?

blkboxster, I think you did the right, honorable thing, even though you were not aware the car needed the repairs and did not have to refund the money.

Karma, baby ! It WILL come back to you :)

That whole karma thing is for the birds. Did I kill anyone when the Cubs missed their chance to play in the Series in '69? '84? '89? '03?

Ron Swoboda is still alive, so is Will Clark, Leon Durham, Steve Garvey and Steve Bartman. So where is my Cub title??? :mad:

Selling a car, even as a private party, should not be an exercise in utilizing every loophole in the law to scam as much money as possible out of the purchaser, then walk away with the money claiming caveat emptor.
You did the right thing, and retaining $300 for your trouble was more than fair.
Whether you fix the supposed problems before you resell, or disclose them to the next buyer is up to you, but in any event you will have a clear conscience.

I have NO objections to doing the honorable thing. I've reimbursed several buyers half of unknown (to me) repairs needed on cars I've sold. That seems to me to be the fair thing to do. But in this case, the proposed repair bill is wayyyyy out of line for the reported problems. Half of the reasonable cost to fix the items would be a fair deal. Cancelling the sale would not, in any way, be an option to make this an honorable transaction. No, you don't want to take advantage of an ignorant buyer, but on the other hand, you don't want to be taken advantage of either.

Bob

Hi,

Whether he did the right thing or not, only he can decide. My decision would have been a partial refund, no more. That isn't any less right.

Caveat Emptor is a real and viable principle, and applies whether the buyer was astute or ignorant. It cautions the Buyer to BEWARE. The principle doesn't become moot just because a Buyer chose to ignore it.

$25k is a lot of money and the Buyer is an Adult, making adult decisions, including some that effect all of us, such as casting a vote. The responsibility is purely on the Buyer to inspect the merchandise, ask appropriate questions and then act as they see fit. If the Buyer does not act responsibly, then, lacking any deliberate misrepresentation on the Seller's part, they forfeit the right to subsequent grievence.

Now, the Seller has a responsibility to represent the merchandise to the best of their ability. If the Buyer merely takes the Seller's word for it, without some form of corroboration from a PPI or at least a documented service history, and proceeds to buy the merchandise, the Seller is free and clear - he acted in good faith. If some items were deliberately misrepresented or omitted, then a different story.

But, all this is assumption and speculation. The fact is, none of us were a party to the sale or it's particulars. We are hearing only one side of the issue. Lacking any evidence to the contrary, we must take the Seller at his word that no misrepresentations were made.

But, it is a little strange that the Seller capitulated so readily in what otherwise should appear to be a straightforward transaction, leaving at least some shadow of doubt...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Without question you did the right thing. You lost nothing but a bit of time....

It's a used car so he should have had it inspected BEFORE he bought it. If you didn't sell it to him with the option to have it inspected within so many days, it's not your problem. $5K in repairs on a Porsche at a dealer is not (relatively speaking) that big of a deal and they should expect it in the future.

I think you should tell him you're sorry you didn't know about the problems he's coming to you with, but that's just the way it goes if you don't do a PPI.

Well I agree with most others here - if he did not take the time to check it out beforehand - it's his mistake and he needs to be accountable for his mistake.

Anyways, chalk it up to lesson learned and I would suggest that next time you clearly state it in the bill of sale that the vehicle is being sold as-is with no warranties expressed or implied. For exact "legal language" do a Google search on auto bill of sale.

Wow, 25800 for a 99 with 15k? That's insane! I would have cut him a check for 5k, there's no way you are going to get that again! You can cut the check and still have done a decent sell:P

Thats what i was going to say and was wondering if anyone else thought this! He most likely found out that he paid too much money for the car and the repairs were his excuse. Where did you come up with that price?

Good luck with re-sale. Use this as an experience and go with it.