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Old 01-26-2017, 01:27 PM   #1
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The thing is, a lot of race cars run much more efficiently and would pass the clean air requirements
In any case, we are talking about such a small number of cars and racetracks are generally not in a big metropolitan area that even if they were polluters , at worst they would have a tiny impact on air quality.

Hell, where you live, Shanghai, probably contributes much more to global air quality than all of the race cars in N America combined. I've been there and the air sucks!
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:56 PM   #2
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Hell, where you live, Shanghai, probably contributes much more to global air quality than all of the race cars in N America combined. I've been there and the air sucks!
Not debating, I'm pretty pissed about it myself as mosport have been my employer's bread & butter since many decades. Its devastating when it comes to affecting an entire industry but there you go... what can you say. Like I said its very hard to criticize.

RE Shanghai. We are possibly the luckiest in this entire country due to our location. We mostly get clean air from the sea (we can look the sea from our rooftops man). You must have came here during a bad week or perhaps in 2013 when it was madness almost every day, winter if I remember. The air was blowing backward for some reason... we referred to it as "Airpocalypse" lolllll

Beijing, Tianjin and Hebei... now if you can avoid these places then do it. Friend's advice
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:11 PM   #3
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The thing is, a lot of race cars run much more efficiently and would pass the clean air requirements
True and false.

This is the big issue about race cars and even the recent diesel gate. The most efficient engines are not emission friendly. Yes they burn all the fuel and turn it into power. The problem is inner cylinder pressure and high temperatures create NOx's. That is where the "polution" from diesel gate comes from. If you are not allowed high temps with a diesel engine you can't burn enough fuel per cycle to make power.

Another thing, efficiency is only a comparative value. A 4.0L engine can be more efficient then a 3.0L at burning its fuel and be low on emissions.But the 4.0L might be making 80hp/L while the 3.0L is making 100hp/L, making the 3.0L more efficient power source for it size.


Here is why we don't want NOx. Remember its really easy to pollute 40x the limit when the limit is in the single digits. Medias are terrible at conveying this obviously.
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When NOx and volatile organic compounds (VOCs) react in the presence of sunlight, they form photochemical smog, a significant form of air pollution, especially in the summer. Children, people with lung diseases such as asthma, and people who work or exercise outside are particularly susceptible to adverse effects of smog such as damage to lung tissue and reduction in lung function.[5]
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Just got this response from my Senator.


"February 19, 2017

Dear Terry,


Thank you for contacting me about motorsports and the Clean Air Act. I appreciate receiving your comments.

Originally passed in 1955, the Clean Air Act is the primary piece of air quality legislation for the United States. It gives the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) the power to set and enforce standards for air quality, including the enforcement of emission standards for pollution, such as vehicle emissions.

In June 2015, the EPA and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration proposed rule changes to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and create new fuel efficiency standards. Concerns have been raised that the proposed rule changes would negatively affect amateur motorsports.

To provide the EPA greater clarity about its role in regulating competition vehicles, I have joined a number of my colleagues in cosponsoring S. 203, the Recognizing the Protection of Motorsports Act. Introduced by Senator Richard Burr (R-N.C.) on January 24, 2017, this bill would stipulate that the EPA is not able to regulate motor vehicles used solely for competition. This bill has been referred to the Senate Environment and Public Works (EPW) Committee.

I am committed to ensuring that rules are made through a transparent public notice and comment process. Citizens must have the opportunity to weigh in on specific regulations. As a member of the EPW Committee, I will be sure to keep your comments in mind should the committee consider this matter in the weeks and months ahead.

Again, thank you for contacting my office. If you have additional questions or concerns, please visit my website at www.fischer.senate.gov.

Sincerely,

Deb Fischer

United States Senator"
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