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Old 12-07-2016, 11:17 AM   #1
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Looks like a fun, technical course. Nice seeing Challengers out getting some track time ... although not the ideal car for twisties My 392 Challenger (2014) is 4400lbs and 470 HP/TQ. Fun in a straight line... that dark blue one (Jazz Blue - the color of mine) must have been a relatively new driver... not sure I saw him hit many apexes.

Friend of mine takes his 392 out to High Plains Raceway out here. He turns roughly the same lap times I do in my stock '97 Boxster.
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Looks like a fun, technical course. Nice seeing Challengers out getting some track time ... although not the ideal car for twisties My 392 Challenger (2014) is 4400lbs and 470 HP/TQ. Fun in a straight line...

Friend of mine takes his 392 out to High Plains Raceway out here. He turns roughly the same lap times I do in my stock '97 Boxster.
I guess I gave an upgrade when I called it the 492

I had a Challenger as a rental car once, with the "regular" V8 and it was freaking awesome. I will own one someday.

Out of the 7-8 challengers in my run group, there were 2 that blew by me and disappeared into the distance never to be seen again, 2 that I passed regularly, 1 that would pit in every time he had a train rather than let anyone by, and I never saw the rest so we were all running about the same times.
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I forgot to mention the Challenger... Did the corner workers not have any blue flags? It's always a crap shoot when you don't know someone on how close you should get to them to let them know you want by. Too close and you can spook them into a mistake, not close enough they think they can hold you off. The corner workers should have helped you out.

I had a session at Laguna Seca 2 yrs ago where I hounded a burgundy 911 the entire time. Because of letting faster traffic by, I would drop back but always catch back up to him. I didn't know him but thought I was close enough to him that he'd know I wanted by. We were parked close together in the paddock and after the session he came by to chat. Casually mentioned he wasn't sure if I wanted to pass. Duh! I made sure to grid ahead of him in future sessions. (Was going to add the vid but YT seems to be on the fritz right now.)

Was the Honda driver trying to be Chris Harris and drift or was he just that bad? If I was his passenger, I certainly wouldn't have been encouraging him. With a track that narrow and concrete barriers close by, I would have asked to get out after 1 lap. No need to kill 2 people.
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I forgot to mention the Challenger... Did the corner workers not have any blue flags? It's always a crap shoot when you don't know someone on how close you should get to them to let them know you want by. Too close and you can spook them into a mistake, not close enough they think they can hold you off. The corner workers should have helped you out.
We went up on the hill after turn 3 and before turn 4 and chatted with that corner worker and watched cars, and he said they are golf course workers and the 3-4 times a year they have events, if the organizers don't bring their own workers, they come over and work the flag stations. The track manager at the beginning said they don't throw many blue flags as they prefer to let the drivers sort it out for themselves Next year if JZilla goes back I think they are going to hire some of the SCCA Buccaneer corner workers to run the event.

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I had a session at Laguna Seca 2 yrs ago where I hounded a burgundy 911 the entire time. Because of letting faster traffic by, I would drop back but always catch back up to him. I didn't know him but thought I was close enough to him that he'd know I wanted by. We were parked close together in the paddock and after the session he came by to chat. Casually mentioned he wasn't sure if I wanted to pass. Duh! I made sure to grid ahead of him in future sessions. (Was going to add the vid but YT seems to be on the fritz right now.)
I feel your pain and please do post the video later when YT is back working, although I think I already saw it back when you first posted about it.

When I am in a train I am now where I can tell if the folks that catch up are faster than me and let them by, especially if they are higher HP cars, that can pressure the lead car to give a point by, and then I can sometimes slipstream on the coattails of the faster car

The slow folks at this event were so slow it didn't matter where you gridded, you were going to catch them, but the next day after this I went to Roebling with Coastal region PCA and there were several folks just like this: a White Cayman that only lets one car by at a time even when there is a huge train, and if they can pull away even a few car lengths at the start of a passing zone they don't want to give the point by.

There also was a 2014 Black Cayman S that had so much power that would rocket away at the start of each passing zone and never gave point bys.

Finally there was an older 911, a 1995 993 that after 2-3 laps would give a point by 1/3rd of the way down the straight and then not lift. This weekend I really focused on not backing off when catching slower traffic and was mostly successful. I also passed a lot of Miatas which was a lot of fun since usually it is the other way around... I will post about this track day in a day or two when I get a break from work.

Oddly this event none of the newer 911s gave me any trouble when I caught them, they have so much power that without a lift I would never get by.

That is my pet peeve though... When a car appears in the rear view mirror, it is because they are FASTER THAN YOU!! Point them by, don't leave them stuck behind for 2-3 laps while you "decide" whether they want to pass or whether they even really caught up with you

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Was the Honda driver trying to be Chris Harris and drift or was he just that bad? If I was his passenger, I certainly wouldn't have been encouraging him. With a track that narrow and concrete barriers close by, I would have asked to get out after 1 lap. No need to kill 2 people.
I think he was trying to be a Chris Harris in this clip, the rest of the time he was really fast, at least the one time he shot by me and I never saw him again...
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I had a session at Laguna Seca 2 yrs ago where I hounded a burgundy 911 the entire time. Because of letting faster traffic by, I would drop back but always catch back up to him. I didn't know him but thought I was close enough to him that he'd know I wanted by. We were parked close together in the paddock and after the session he came by to chat. Casually mentioned he wasn't sure if I wanted to pass. Duh! I made sure to grid ahead of him in future sessions. (Was going to add the vid but YT seems to be on the fritz right now.)
I don't know why but passing etiquette videos always seem to be my favorite ones to watch
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