Bad, Bad, Bad VW

[rexcramer]

That's gonna hurt.

VW US emissions settlement reported to cost $15bn - BBC News

[Pdwight]

This will be a slippery slope to automobile manufacturers ...just wait

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by Pdwight

This will be a slippery slope to automobile manufacturers ...just wait

Not worried; feel bad for the younger generations however as they'll have to live among those millions of adv electronics factories producing far more hazardous chemical wastes and vapors, others unleashing their great radiation disasters, just so they can supply their little modern energy requirements. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to clean air acts or anything, sorry if it sounds that way.

My soon or preferred roadster (or convertible) may well end up looking like below anyway lollll. Top speed 80km/h, 300km range, and it sounds just like any one million dollar Tesla car

Comes along with a headwear H.U.D. (GPS, FM, Central Mgt, etc)

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by Nine8Six

Not worried; feel bad for the younger generations however as they'll have to live among those millions of adv electronics factories producing far more hazardous chemical wastes and vapors, others unleashing their great radiation disasters, just so they can supply their little modern energy requirements. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to clean air acts or anything, sorry if it sounds that way

I agree. I have to laugh at part of the settlement being $2.7 billion to offset diesel emissions. I didnt realize that there was a direct correlation between currency and clean air

[FoxRvrBox]

Originally Posted by billh1963

I agree. I have to laugh at part of the settlement being $2.7 billion to offset diesel emissions. I didnt realize that there was a direct correlation between currency and clean air

Yes -- the politicians use the bills to scrub the smoke coming out of the VW tailpipes...

[tomonomics]

In regards to the buy-back cars: Assuming the as-yet-released 'fix' that needs to be applied to the diesel engines will really kill the performance (and limit their resale value), I wonder if they have a secondary plan to swap out the diesel engines and related components for gasoline engines in some of the cars. Is the trans the same in the TDI cars....or would labor be prohibitive?

I can't imagine them just crushing the hundreds of thousands of cars that are likely to be bought back or had their leases terminated.

[Gelbster]

The VW 'solution' is to just export the dirty diesels to 3rd world countries !

[BIGJake111]

It's a shame when a company is punished for making the best car at the best price for their buyers regulations be damned. Honestly I have respect for Piech or whoever sent this through.

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by Gelbster

The VW 'solution' is to just export the dirty diesels to 3rd world countries !

I have absolutely no doubt the buyback cars will be shipped to China.

That's where Porsche ships most of their lemon law buybacks from what I heard from several people at Parade last week

[lkchris]

Just keep in mind that the requirements VW faces in the USA are 100 times more strict than for a pickup truck.

[tomonomics]

VW cannot resell or export the vehicles unless the U.S. EPA approves a fix. So they can't just ship them to another country.

[tomonomics]

Originally Posted by lkchris

Just keep in mind that the requirements VW faces in the USA are 100 times more strict than for a pickup truck.

US emissions limits are stricter than in Europe, but within the US the car and light truck standards since ~2007 are the same up to 8500 lbs.

[Porsche9]

So VW is getting whacked hard can we do the same to those that roll coal?

[Mig]

Dont get me started on the EPA. That organization is dirtier than the exhaust of any VW diesel.

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by tomonomics

VW cannot resell or export the vehicles unless the U.S. EPA approves a fix. So they can't just ship them to another country.

How do you figure that? Is that part of the agreement?

[tomonomics]

Originally Posted by billh1963

How do you figure that? Is that part of the agreement?

Yes...they have to provide an EPA-approved fix before resale or export. If they scrap them, they still can't sell the diesel bits..... (italics are mine)

https://www.justice.gov/enrd/consent-decree/us-v-volkswagen-group-america-et-al

7.2.2. Limitation on Scrapping of Vehicles. Returned Eligible Vehicles and 2.0 Liter
Subject Vehicles may be salvaged for parts, and such parts may be sold in the United States or exported, provided,
however, that in no event may the ECU, diesel oxidation catalyst, or diesel particulate filter be salvaged, resold, or exported.
7.2.3. Sale and Export of Returned Vehicles. Notwithstanding the requirements of
subparagraphs 7.2.1 and 7.2.2 above, Settling Defendants may elect to resell or sell any returned Eligible Vehicle or any 2.0 Liter Subject Vehicle
in the United States, provided, however, that Settling Defendants first modify the particular vehicle in accordance with the applicable Approved
Emissions Modification, label such vehicle, and provide the Approved Emissions Modification Disclosure, warranty, and Warranty Remedies as provided
in Paragraph 5.3 above to prospective purchasers, and meet the other requirements for resale of returned vehicles set forth in Appendix B.
Settling Defendants may not export or arrange for the export of 2.0 Liter Subject Vehicles, unless such vehicle has been modified in accordance with
the applicable Approved Emissions Modification pursuant to the terms of Appendix B of this Consent Decree.

As specified in Appendices A and B, Settling Defendants may export from the United States to another country any 2.0 Liter Subject Vehicle, provided
that such vehicle has received the applicable Approved Emissions Modification, and that no vehicle may be exported if the applicable Approved Emissions
Modification has been suspended as set forth in Appendix B, Paragraph 7.3.