Is this recent enough for you Petey?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/03/he-thought-he-could-help-concealed-carry-gun-wielder-intervenes-in-domestic-dispute-and-is-shot-dead/

Two of my favorite topics rolled into one! Here in the Peoples Republic of Illinois its difficult but not impossible to get a concealed carry permit. The vast majority of US shootings are by / between criminals. The anti-2A crowd will not differentiate the two. Criminals, by definition, will not obey any anti-gun law. Disarming the law abiding will not make us safer.
The link from cfos is a story about a concealed carrier who tried to assist in an altercation and was killed ... it does not make peterbrowns point invalid - he is asking for a doucumented situation where a CC holder used his gun in anger, which this is clearly not.

You'd empty the clip? And potentially hit innocent bystanders, or damage others property, as it's highly unlikely you would hit your target 100% of the time with your adrenaline going and heart pounding.....

I'd hate to be standing anywhere near you at that time.

I'd still rather give him my wallet and spend a few minutes on the phone cancelling my credit cards than spending potentially hours and hours at the police station or hospital or worse....lots and lots of time at the morgue.

Here you go, Petey.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

I'm so glad that daily life in Canada doesn't involve the worry of defending oneself. I don't envy you guys.

Ah! My bad. Will this one meet the criteria? So many rules here... really kills the metaphors and possible-world semantics. But we must be accurate, or surely cfos will draw out something we say and poke fun at the grammar, innuendo, and general language used. That guy is such an ass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/05/05/parishioner-shot-to-death-in-church-during-hymns-was-only-armed-with-his-bible-police-say/

I understand that the article above describes a "seating" incident - which does not DIRECTLY correlate to "standing on line" (pardon my regional grasp of dialect, I still, to this day prefer "on line" in place of "in line"), but in essence, I do feel that the whole argument arose from placement, some stupid argument, and well, anger. I guess... we will never know... for surely the argument would have been made that the result would have been the same had the guy brought a knife to a "bible fight". Am I right? And I'm sure, out there, somewhere, there are churchgoers that may/can be armed and do not shoot others. Is there an article about that?

Interesting and entertaining discussion.

Brought up in Canada, our gun laws are really restrictive. I have looked at getting a RPAL to own a handgun, but haven't had the time. You're talking about a waiting list to attend a day(?) long safety course, and then a lengthy waiting period for your application to go through the RCMP.

You can only fire it at your own approved range. Plinking in the back 90 not allowed.

Sadly, I only can fire my pellet gun in my basement range. Working on stacking 5 pellets in a dime.

The law does not look kindly at using a firearm for home defence up here.

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This is how you defend your property and loved ones in Canada.

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Don't need no stinking guns here!

Guys, guys, guys.

It's a MAGAZINE, not a clip. Pistols have a mag well. Only an M1 Garand (Canadian) and some stripper clip WWII guns use clips.

Thank you for your cooperation. Carry on...

Yes, stripper clip (bullets on a clip) is for loading a fixed Magazine (below)quickly.
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You have a government.

Therefore you have something you may possibly need to defend yourself from.

Um, not likely with a gun.....that's what a 'vote' is for.

You thinking of rising up against your government with a weapon??

We have a problem with the government, we elect a new one. Majority rules. If you don't like it, move. Then again, I think our system up North has more checks/balances and the Prime Minister does not have nearly the same power as your President does.

The term "COME AND TAKE IT" comes to mind....

And "WILL NOT COMPLY".

For the time being the constitution and court system defends my rights and that's part of why I don't own a gun and if I acquire one in the next 10 years or so is give or take.

But you have to be careful who you elect because that person could do away with those checks and balances. Not that I think it'll happen in my life time or that I want to have it happen, but I like to have the right to a gun to defend myself against the government above all else. If I have a problem with a criminal id rather the police deal with it, but what if some day the police become a gastapo. We reinstate the draft. Eminent domaine becomes a bigger problem then it already is. Or they keep knocking down people's doors over land rovers.

http://jalopnik.com/the-feds-just-seized-40-land-rovers-imported-to-the-u-s-1605985758

For now the constitution protects the rights of the individual but with increasingly Authoritarian candidates being pushed for by voters left and right be them socialist or borderline Facist, Amongst increasing use of executive order from our current president and likely next. There may come a day that the idea of a milita isn't too crazy after all.

It's like an airbag in a car, heavy and useless and shouldn't ever be needed. But it's nice to have if God forbid you do need it.

Lordy......Lore
 

I just wanted some ideas on places...especially if I forgot and left the top down for 30 minutes or so. We can ll debate the rights and cause and effect till we turn Lapis in the face. I love firearms , always have....I also love Engines (Car, plane miniature model), tools etc. Guns are what you make of them, if you want to go to see a different side of firearms go to Camp Perry and watch the Nationals. People have been killing each other since there have two or more of us....

I appreciate all your input on this.

All my Best
Dwight

I may look into fabbing a metal lockbox to fit under one of the seats. Somewhat inconspicuous.

The challenge is if things get that bad, it's too late. They will have disarmed you all first.

OK you got a rise out of on this one
 

No offense to our friends from the North or anywhere.....but;

The South Will Never Be Disarmed ...we might burn...but trust me from someone who has lived here almost 60 years....It will never happen here

I'm reminded of the pathetic cowards who criticize our troops to cover their fear of fighting in the military. If you aren't confident enough to carry and want a nanny state to defend you and your family, fine. Just keep your mouth ( or fingers in this case) shut. No one asked your opinion here.

Bravo Chris
 

FWIW My son is a cop, my best friend is a cop as are many of my close friends...they will tell you they cannot defend you in the case of violent crime....they can only fill out the paperwork and follow up on leads.

I wish everyone would carry. It would save me the trouble. Kind of like herd immunity. Sorry Giller, but if enough people just fork over the wallet and avert their eyes, then the criminal act is reinforced as a successful alternative to gainful employment, and we are all less safe from the bad guys who often lack impulse control and have never experienced gun control.
BTW, I live in a reasonably safe area, yet it has been all of 10 days since I was 1st on scene of a carjacking 150 ft from my house. I was unarmed. The victim had a permit but was also unarmed at the time. She got back her wrecked car, broken phone, her credit, and most of the contents of her purse. A suspect is in custody. But she she can't get back the three plus days of lost time, and she won't feel safe walking to her car for a long time. I bet she shoots the next mofo who tries (I will thank her for the public service if she does).
Cultural bias / background: raised in the South, prep school to graduate education, professional, 2 siblings in law enforcement, one in-law career military, nephew a bounty hunter. Very pro-gun, in spite of the fact that some of the jokers with guns scare the S out of me; that is part of the price of freedom.
For a more factual perspective, look at the controlled study that is Kennessaw GA, and the impact on crime of requiring gun ownership.

And Dwight, try a fixed mount inside the pocket on the back of the passenger seat.

The biggest threat to the national security of the U.S. is climate change. Those old vehicles, it seems, contribute to it disproportionately. I'm comforted that Federal law enforcement has their priorities straight.

http://www.industrytap.com/worlds-15-biggest-ships-create-more-pollution-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/8182

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/07/25/us-department-defence-one-worlds-biggest-polluters-259456.html

Pretty sure they could regulate shipping pollution and check how much they pollute themselves in the process of overthrowing dictators on the other side of the world. Rather then using tax dollars to beat down the door of a Land Rover enthusiast because his car is identical to a model 15 years old, but his is 14 years old, a car that farts out less pollution than the heard of cattle he drives by every once in a while.

You keep spouting off your 'opinion' but won't follow your own advice. Nor have you backed up any of your silly statements with facts. And coward? You're the one so scared he has to carry a gun to protect himself. Me, I walk around unarmed all day with confidence....and no one has attacked me yet!!! Shocking!

You're hilarious.

But there is zero correlation between states where you can carry and those you can't with regard the crime rates, therefore there is zero proof that carrying actually reduces any crime.

Again, I'm fine if you want to carry cause it makes you feel better or it's your right, but you just can't argue it reduces crime. The facts do not support it.

We have COPS meetings in my neighborhood, where a police representative comes and gives talks on safety. His take on carry is to do it, if you feel comfortable. The police would rather show up with a dead perpetrator than a dead victim.

Also the Supreme Court says the police do not have a responsibility to protect you. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the INDIVIDUAL to protect themselves. I know certain groups don't like those words.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect-someone.html?_r=0

AAAANNNNDDDD speaking of stupid, with apologies to Timco and others, would you also burn and bleach the bodies when self-defending and emptying your clip?

Goose Creek resident who shot, burned, buried men granted bail - Charleston Scene

This case is intriguing. I mean, I can't imagine what the cost of the cab fare was. Yeah, yeah, I get that we don't know if this guy had a permit, so please disregard this thread since we all about the validity up in hereeeeeeee! :confused:

My opinion? This was started as a pro gun thread, dumb ass.
Go away. Your opinion is not wanted and was not asked for here.

I'm glad you've never been attacked. I have no doubt how that would play out.

Neither was yours....and since you've never backed anything you've said up with ANY facts - that makes you the dumb ass.

Apparently trying to have an intelligent conversation is over your head.

You sir, are pathetic...yet still hilarious.

Common, say some more dumb things and make me laugh!

First, it's a mag. Pistols use a magazine. We've been over this.

Second, I may need a second shot, but I'm certain the first shot will be on target. No need to dump the mag.

Third, you can find as many crazy stories on the web as you want to find. Doesn't make me any less responsible. Heck, I saw a show last night about a Russian prisoner that killed, cooked and ate his buddy, then gave some of the meat to his friends. I don't think he even owned a gun....

The facts certainly do support it Hillary. You're just to stupid to understand the big words.
Look, you're a miserable little coward who is terrified of having to defend yourself or any family you may or may not have. Fine. We get it. Just stop criticizing the responsible people who will defend you when the time comes.

Fwiw
 

I think the problem and where the most friction comes from is choice. If you do not want to legally carry that is your choice, that being said you have no right to tell someone else that they should not be armed and calling names does no good at all......in fact it is like cheating to win the Special Olympics

But on to more interesting dialog in this flaming thread;

What do you prefer ?

I am a 1911 man but have a Sig P230 in my Boxster

Para Ordinance limited Hy Cap .45
Star PD sub compact .45
Beretta 92FS 9mm
Sterling 9mm SMG

But on to more interesting dialog in this flaming thread;

What do you prefer ?

I am a 1911 man but have a Sig P230 in my Boxster[/QUOTE]

I've had a few 1911's. Loved my Gold cup. I've since moved on to Sig. I have three variations of the P220 and am looking at another one. Or two.

For those that elect to carry a firearm remember to train and put a lot of rounds down range. Know your weapon and have the right mental preparation. Police Officers are well trained and have a 15-25 percent hit probability in street encounters when they fire their guns. It is one thing to shoot a paper target in a sterile environment. It is another to engage an armed suspect. Particularly if he is firing at you. Now... back to Boxsters!!!!

Interesting thread. I've known many guys and a few gals who've kept a handgun in their vehicle, usually in the glove box. Surprisingly, none of these folks ever mentioned having one stolen. Hiding it more securely means reducing access, which kind of defeats the purpose, as some here have already mentioned.

Given how light and compact some of the new pistols are, why not just wear it in a shoulder holster under your jacket or shirt? Assuming of course that you're in a jurisdiction that allows it. Note that even here in NorCal where restrictions abound, concealed carry permits are easy to get.

Add a little, agreed train with it. Make time to fire 18 to 24 rounds every month. I shot for a Law Enforcement Agency for 8 years way back in the 70's and 80's....we shot 2 to 4 hundred rounds per week just in practice and then a match every weekend. Use the gun enough that you never feel encumbered with it in your hand.

I shoot 100 pistol rounds a week, easy. Typically closer to 200. That includes .357 mag SA shooting as well.

Then it's about 50 for each rifle, usually 2-3.

Then 2 rounds (50) trap. That's a Saturday morning. Try to go every week.

For me, having a place to keep it in the car is not about access. It's about secure storage when I am leaving my car and entering a place where firearms are not allowed.
Some places I go have this:

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If I'm in the car, it's on me.

Here, that sign is BS unless they register as a no carry zone with the state. They can always refuse service for any reason, but it's not a crime unless they register and are listed on the BCI website. Besides, concealed means concealed.