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rfuerst911sc 12-26-2015 12:30 PM

I want a small ducktail to mount on the OEM spoiler !
 
How many Boxsters from model year 1998 - 2004 are out there ? A bunch ! Am I asking too much for someone to come up with a small ducktail spoiler that can be mounted on top of the OEM rear blade spoiler ??? I don't want to disassemble or use 987 hardware just glue/screw/rivet onto the existing OEM setup........will 2016 answer my request ?

litespeedp 12-26-2015 01:34 PM

Would possibly be pretty cool if it was not too large and had a good angle.The duck tail is super on the 911.Interesting........

itsnotanova 12-26-2015 04:02 PM

It's funny you created this post. I was thinking about posting the same question. I want one that replaces the whole trunk and stock spoiler system. I'm considering building my own if I ever come across a factory Aero kit trunk lid. I've also thought about getting some clay and trying to sculpt one on a trunk. Or maybe one of you northern guys can try to form one out of snow?

nicecar 12-26-2015 05:33 PM

redneck lol

itsnotanova 12-26-2015 05:54 PM

Not denying I'm a redneck but I want to use the clay for design purposes.

stelan 12-26-2015 10:43 PM

I have been thinking the same, I will draw one up in 3D and machine one with a cnc machine to create a mold see how it comes out.

rfuerst911sc 12-27-2015 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by stelan (Post 477810)
I have been thinking the same, I will draw one up in 3D and machine one with a cnc machine to create a mold see how it comes out.

Now we are talking !! Just speaking for myself I'm just looking for a small plain mini-ducktail nothing gaudy or ricer in appearance. So when the OEM blade is in the down position you still have a nice profile of a spoiler which I believe will enhance the look of the car. And by keeping the OEM blade I would think it will not screw up what the engineers intended for the air flow in the rear and might possibly add just a little bit of down force or reduce lift. The challenges to overcome are a mounting system and a final profile. This should be fun to watch unfold :cheers:

rfuerst911sc 12-27-2015 01:24 AM

As an example here is one from Suncoast for the later models. I think this one is a little too big/aggressive for my taste but it is close. Really just using this as a reference point. The second link is a spy shot of a new spyder with a ducktail.

Suncoast Porsche Parts & Accessories Boxster Ducktail

Porsche Boxster Prototype Spied with Ducktail and Manual, RS Spyder Coming

itsnotanova 12-27-2015 02:14 AM

I'm thinking more 991.2ish
where is sport design ducktail package on the 991.2? - Page 2 - Rennlist Discussion Forums

Did you see Jon's thread? He built one that was close to what you're looking for.
http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/59015-1st-boxster-7th-porsche-we-now-have-4-family.html

BoxsterSteve 12-27-2015 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by itsnotanova (Post 477795)
Or maybe one of you northern guys can try to form one out of snow?

Woody, we're SOL for snow so far this winter... maybe inFebruary.

rfuerst911sc 12-27-2015 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by itsnotanova (Post 477817)

The 991.2 style is a little larger than what I am looking for but not ruling that out. What Jon ended up with is much closer to what I want in regards to size and shape. We have a good discussion going here hopefully some good will come from it.

10/10ths 12-27-2015 05:21 AM

Remember...
 
.....that you will be lifting luggage over that ducktail to place in the trunk. That's one of the reasons it isn't there from the factory.

Style is another.

Corvette just went through this on the new ZO6. They have a huge Gurney Flap on their "Stage III" ZO6 package and it make putting luggage in the trunk of the convertible very difficult. You better be a track hound if you order that option.

Remember that if you attach your ducktail to the top of the OEM spoiler, when it deploys at speed, you will be adding a bending force to the structure of the spoiler and that could cause problems.

Good luck.

rfuerst911sc 12-27-2015 06:16 AM

For the size of spoiler I want I seriously doubt it would hinder rear trunk access but I see your point. I'm sure Porsche took that into account before adding larger rear spoilers to the 987. In regards to the corvette I could be wrong but isn't the rear of that car higher to begin with vs. the Porsche ?

itsnotanova 12-27-2015 06:21 AM

I tried combining these two on photobucket but I wasn't successful.
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...psd8i1yzba.jpg
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...psmz50kbz0.jpg
I agree and the 991.2 is bigger than I like too. I'm more after the height and shape of this one(with rounded corners), and I want it farther down the trunk. I secretly like the big wing, but don't have the cojones to put one on mine.
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...psvvwbbite.jpg

stelan 12-27-2015 06:34 AM

Yes that is what im thinking, small tasteful

rfuerst911sc 12-27-2015 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by stelan (Post 477833)
Yes that is what im thinking, small tasteful

Maybe what we are looking for is a " baby ducktail " :D Like others I do not want to mess up the smooth lines just a slight addition to the rear. I know we can get there !

The Radium King 12-27-2015 08:32 AM

there's this ... you would have to remove the uprights and wing, but would have a tailbase/ducktail when done. it would have to be slid down the trunk about two inches and probably trimmed a bit. i *think* extreme is a branch of gt3tek so quality is ok, and they could probably customise it to your needs (ie, delete the wing and reduce the cost considerably).

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiXma73yvzJAh VB8mMKHWrzC-8QjB0IBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FPor sche-986-Boxster-to-997-GT3-RS-style-Rear-Wing-New-%2F180397070920&psig=AFQjCNFZp9r0E-ZqZVjW96SKHUIbHjU6uA&ust=1451324321887338&rct=j

derfo 12-27-2015 08:53 AM

986 tail
 
I have got one made. I just need to do the final touches, then make a mold and see who wants one. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1451238743.jpg

rfuerst911sc 12-27-2015 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by derfo (Post 477844)
I have got one made. I just need to do the final touches, then make a mold and see who wants one. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1451238743.jpg

We have a winner !!! :D Please keep us posted on your progress I'll go ahead and throw my name in the hat for a purchase if the end product looks good and is reasonable in cost. Is your plan to do it in fiberglass or something else ? Does this fit over the OEM top cap or replace it ? I think it's just held on with 3 rivets ? Anyway nice looking work . :cheers:

Van914 12-27-2015 09:26 AM

Plus one on this. Looks great!

derfo 12-27-2015 09:44 AM

986 tail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 477847)
We have a winner !!! :D Please keep us posted on your progress I'll go ahead and throw my name in the hat for a purchase if the end product looks good and is reasonable in cost. Is your plan to do it in fiberglass or something else ? Does this fit over the OEM top cap or replace it ? I think it's just held on with 3 rivets ? Anyway nice looking work . :cheers:

Hello rfuerst911sc

It will be fiberglass. It replaces the cap. I had one ready to make a mold for 2 1/2 years ago, but it got smashed when I was taking it to my unit. Some guy took me out on a roundabout (uk) the car rolled 3 times , I had to be cut out and airlifted to Hospital. So just getting round to doing stuff again.

rfuerst911sc 12-28-2015 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derfo (Post 477850)
Hello rfuerst911sc

It will be fiberglass. It replaces the cap. I had one ready to make a mold for 2 1/2 years ago, but it got smashed when I was taking it to my unit. Some guy took me out on a roundabout (uk) the car rolled 3 times , I had to be cut out and airlifted to Hospital. So just getting round to doing stuff again.

Yikes ! :eek: First off let me say I'm glad you are on the mend and hope you continue on the path to good health. Amazing how ones life can change in just seconds. The spoiler looks very nice in the pic you posted and I'm sure you can sell a good quantity of these if you are able to build the volume in a timely manner. Good luck and please reply to this thread with progress and when they will be available for sale. Thanks

jaykay 12-28-2015 07:53 AM

This look good! Exactly what I wanted to do. You will be removing the plastic top cap and riveting this to the metal blade of the spoiler I take it. Any CFD behind it? It would be nice to know if it affects car balance at all.

Looks like it would provide a little more spoiling capability with a little less drag.

Dlirium 12-28-2015 08:25 AM

Over on the BMW Z4M forum there a few guys splitters and spoilers - very tasteful stuff that adds to the overall look of the car. I'd certainly be interested in something that does that for the Boxster. This may have been mentioned, but we'd want to pull the fuse on the rising spoiler, no?

Dlirium 12-28-2015 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 10/10ths (Post 477824)
<snip>
Remember that if you attach your ducktail to the top of the OEM spoiler, when it deploys at speed, you will be adding a bending force to the structure of the spoiler and that could cause problems.

Good luck.

Pull the fuse, ya? i don't think we're looking at an option that still goes up and down. Should be a fixed item, no?

derfo 12-28-2015 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dlirium (Post 477928)
Over on the BMW Z4M forum there a few guys splitters and spoilers - very tasteful stuff that adds to the overall look of the car. I'd certainly be interested in something that does that for the Boxster. This may have been mentioned, but we'd want to pull the fuse on the rising spoiler, no?

Hello Dlirium

It would be up to you if you pull the fuse. It will go up and down with the tail on.

derfo 12-28-2015 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaykay (Post 477926)
This look good! Exactly what I wanted to do. You will be removing the plastic top cap and riveting this to the metal blade of the spoiler I take it. Any CFD behind it? It would be nice to know if it affects car balance at all.

Looks like it would provide a little more spoiling capability with a little less drag.

Hello jaykay

It will be bolted to the top rail. I will be making no claims, aesthetics only.

rfuerst911sc 12-28-2015 09:25 AM

There should be no reason to stop the function of raising/lowering. If derfo's spoiler mounts the way I think it will you still have the factory air dam/blade his spoiler will just be on top of that. So at speeds below 70 mph you just have his spoiler. Above that speed you have the OEM blade AND his spoiler. Unless his spoiler does something crazy with the air flow I would think the car will be very stable. I think the only thing that will have to be done is the factory " cap " ( painted car color ) will have to be removed so derfo's spoiler mounts in its place. Just 3 rivets and maybe a little goop .

Dlirium 12-28-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by derfo (Post 477930)
Hello Dlirium

It would be up to you if you pull the fuse. It will go up and down with the tail on.

Right - to each their own. I'd have to see it, but i feel that the spoiler (that looks like the 911 one pictured earlier in this thread) raising up 3-4 inches would be, uh...silly?

we'll see. like you said, i'd pull the fuse and enjoy the "attached" look...

particlewave 12-28-2015 11:32 AM

The problem with Cayman type spoilers is that the stock airdam is too far back, making the longer spoilers look out of place (like the spoiler is hanging off the back of the car).

I think it would need to be a little further up the trunk lid to look right, sort of like the Aerokit spoiler, but maybe not so far up the lid.

rfuerst911sc 12-29-2015 01:27 AM

derfo by chance do you have any pics of your model/first article actually mounted on the car ?

derfo 12-29-2015 08:20 AM

986 Spoiler
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 478013)
derfo by chance do you have any pics of your model/first article actually mounted on the car ?

Hello rfuerst911sc

I am aiming to fit it to the car, test it and decide how to proceed from there. This will be before I make a mold of the pattern. When I fit it to the car before the tests I will post some photos. ASAP.:dance:

pony13ca 12-29-2015 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by derfo (Post 478032)
Hello rfuerst911sc

I am aiming to fit it to the car, test it and decide how to proceed from there. This will be before I make a mold of the pattern. When I fit it to the car before the tests I will post some photos. ASAP.:dance:

Very interested to see how this turns out!!

silver-S 01-01-2016 01:33 PM

BTW, when you pull the spoiler fuse, it also disables the ability to open the trunk. But that solves the problem of not being able to get your stuff in the trunk, doesn't it?

Dlirium 01-01-2016 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver-S (Post 478343)
BTW, when you pull the spoiler fuse, it also disables the ability to open the trunk. But that solves the problem of not being able to get your stuff in the trunk, doesn't it?

Well that sucks. Is there a way to disable the spoiler other than a fuse?

particlewave 01-01-2016 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dlirium (Post 478351)
Well that sucks. Is there a way to disable the spoiler other than a fuse?

Manually disconnect it at the lift mechanism electrical connector.

Dlirium 01-01-2016 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 478352)
Manually disconnect it at the lift mechanism electrical connector.

Ah, perfect!! Thx!

rfuerst911sc 01-10-2016 12:11 PM

derfo any updates ?

Edreamsz 01-13-2016 01:28 AM

I am also very interested! With the right angle and form it will be a great addition. Please keep us updated :)!

Leebherron 01-13-2016 06:01 AM

Spoiled 986
 
Very interested ! Pics Pics Pics !


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