First ticket

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Also, it lists those ticketed and not which are most often stopped. Completely different numbers..

You're right. It lists those ticketed and the cars they drove.

Did I misread the title of the thread and discussion? I didn't see where the title changed to, "I was speeding and stopped, but the cop let me go cuz he thought my car was cool!" And I must have missed all the subsequent posts that said, "Yeah cops stop me all the time to tell me how cool, timeless, and classic my car is, and then compliment me on my driving skills once they see me - cuz they KNOW that only a skilled driver such as myself can clearly judge appropriate speed levels. We then launch into discourse about how the better cops know and understand that speed limits only apply to ricers and common folk who are too stupid to know how do drive as well as me - because I drive a Porsche 986."

Please accept my sincere apologies for not posting this type of study in a relevant thread that focused on getting a ticket, and all the crosses that Porsche owners bear because of the car they drive, and how they know better than everyone else about road speeds.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

We then launch into discourse about how the better cops know and understand that speed limits only apply to ricers and common folk who are too stupid to know how do drive as well as me - because I drive a Porsche 986."

It is not the driver it is the car, a cops main job is safety, and slowing down a civic that will under steer into oblivion or a f-350 that could plow through 3 houses is more important than slowing down one of the cars with the most active safety on the road.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

It is not the driver it is the car, a cops main job is safety, and slowing down a civic that will under steer into oblivion or a f-350 that could plow through 3 houses is more important than slowing down one of the cars with the most active safety on the road.

Oh, again, I apologize. I wasn't aware that cops are taught about the physics of each and every car so that they know "under steer" and can pick it out within the few seconds they have of a car traveling at 55mph+. So glad you told me of this.

Oh yeah, I guess you also imply that all Porsche owners undergo a rigorous assessment to demonstrate their complete lack of asshattery, once behind the wheel, enabling them to get a free pass, unless in Cyprus.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Oh, again, I apologize. I wasn't aware that cops are taught about the physics of each and every car so that they know "under steer" and can pick it out within the few seconds they have of a car traveling at 55mph+. So glad you told me of this.

They will pull you over regardless, however, it is fairly disrespectful to assume that cops are not educated on the vehicles they are patrolling. Once they pull you over though, as well as attitude they do take into consideration this risk of you driving at speed in a capable sports car in comparison with something more dangerous. Think of how much more concerned a cop would be if a 2000 intrepid was going 90 with a trailer full of mattresses as apposed to a Boxster traveling the same speed, you may get a ticket regardless but chances are lower in the Boxster.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

They will pull you over regardless, however, it is fairly disrespectful to assume that cops are not educated on the vehicles they are patrolling. Once they pull you over though, as well as attitude they do take into consideration this risk of you driving at speed in a capable sports car in comparison with something more dangerous. Think of how much more concerned a cop would be if a 2000 intrepid was going 90 with a trailer full of mattresses as apposed to a Boxster traveling the same speed, you may get a ticket regardless but chances are lower in the Boxster.

It's not disrespect; I just think (hope) that the education and training that officers receive focus more on other things than on car knowledge - like being able to spot a potential drunk driver or someone weaving, etc.

I mean, wasn't your point earlier that it is the driver and not the car that earns a ticket. Besides, how did we go from Honda civic to a Intrepid doing 90 while towing while the Porsche remains a Porsche? Did I miss the part about the Honda towing something? And now your suggesting cops should also know/do know the year of a vehicle? Out of curiosity, what ARE the things that we should know about a 2000 intrepid? Is that model year, compared to the others, less capable of doing 90 while towing mattresses?

[JayG]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

They will pull you over regardless, however, it is fairly disrespectful to assume that cops are not educated on the vehicles they are patrolling. Once they pull you over though, as well as attitude they do take into consideration this risk of you driving at speed in a capable sports car in comparison with something more dangerous. Think of how much more concerned a cop would be if a 2000 intrepid was going 90 with a trailer full of mattresses as apposed to a Boxster traveling the same speed, you may get a ticket regardless but chances are lower in the Boxster.

You have had you license for how many months now?

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by JayG

You have had you license for how many months now?

I can't drive after 8 until next month, no hiding of that, however, it does seem I was not clear, I by no means ment that the drivers of these busted up cars or such are less likely to be respectful or anything else, but what I personally have heard is that cops tend to be more lenient based on how much of a threat the vehicle you are In poses to others. A tractor trailer traveling at high speeds is quite a threat to all motorist around, while an accord going the same speed is less threatening to other motorist. Can be the exact same driver or kind of driver between the two cars, in the case I personally had an suv, I would be much more accepting of a ticket in the suv under same conditions and unlawful driving then doing the same in the boxster. However, either way, I am pretty excepting that the law is the law and under no circumstance are you entitled a warning or reduction, however, I would be more expecting of a ticket in the case I was driving an SUV.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

I can't drive after 8 until next month, no hiding of that, however, it does seem I was not clear, I by no means ment that the drivers of these busted up cars or such are less likely to be respectful or anything else, but what I personally have heard is that cops tend to be more lenient based on how much of a threat the vehicle you are In poses to others. A tractor trailer traveling at high speeds is quite a threat to all motorist around, while an accord going the same speed is less threatening to other motorist. Can be the exact same driver or kind of driver between the two cars, in the case I personally had an suv, I would be much more accepting of a ticket in the suv under same conditions and unlawful driving then doing the same in the boxster. However, either way, I am pretty excepting that the law is the law and under no circumstance are you entitled a warning or reduction, however, I would be more expecting of a ticket in the case I was driving an SUV.

Seriously:
http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf

Your credibility will rise, once you grasp some basics. Also, you use too many qualifiers.

Out of curiosity, what and from whom do you hear things?

[Giller]

Originally Posted by cfos

Oh, again, I apologize. I wasn't aware that cops are taught about the physics of each and every car so that they know "under steer" and can pick it out within the few seconds they have of a car traveling at 55mph+. So glad you told me of this.

Oh yeah, I guess you also imply that all Porsche owners undergo a rigorous assessment to demonstrate their complete lack of asshattery, once behind the wheel, enabling them to get a free pass, unless in Cyprus.

If I was a cop and pulled someone over with an attitude like yours - he's getting a ticket no matter what he's driving.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Giller

If I was a cop and pulled someone over with an attitude like yours - he's getting a ticket no matter what he's driving.

Well, good for you!

[jdraupp]

This conversation is getting a little off topic. It doesn't matter what youre driving, only how youre driving it. And you can say all you want how crappy cars will have people with drugs and warrants in them and occasionally youd be correct, but if you wanted to run a whole bunch of dope and youre a drug lord, would you put a car with busted tail lights and sketchy dudes in it? Nope, they can and will put them in modern lexuses with all kinds of people you'd never expect in them. Theres a thousand things we are looking for when we make traffic stops and there's no guaranteed method of success. Bottom line, if you dont want to be stopped then operate your vehicle in accordance with the law. If I stop you for speed, and thats the only issue and your attitude reflects you have made a mistake and are sorry, for me thats a warning, no matter what you are driving. If youre driving like a jag and you act like one too, doesn't matter what you got stopped for, youve earned the ticket for being disrespectful and wasting my time. A lot of nice people still get speeding tickets. They all knew what they were doing and knew the consequences yet it is always someone's fault not their own when they get the ticket.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by cfos

You're right.

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

And also - from what I understand the 'study' was simply asking people if they ever got a ticket and what they were driving (vehilce) at the time. This 'study' doesn't come from any law enforcement data - simply anecdotes told by people.
So many variables involved in this that I'm not sure how much stock should be put in it.

[cfos]

Yes, yes. But regardless of your opinions and poking at this study... I still await PL or Giller to produce a competing study. I mean (Giller), your complaint is that the posted study just asked people - how is your statement any different than the people asked it the study? Flawed as it may be, you haven't provided anything to back your position up. "That's just like your opinion, man." Just sayin.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by cfos

Yes, yes. But regardless of your opinions and poking at this study... I still await PL or Giller to produce a competing study. I mean (Giller), your complaint is that the posted study just asked people - how is your statement any different than the people asked it the study? Flawed as it may be, you haven't provided anything to back your position up. "That's just like your opinion, man." Just sayin.

A study is defined as "a detailed investigation and analysis of a subject or situation". There is no analysis in this. It is not a 'study' - it is an observation. There is no scientific backing of this other than picking up the phone and calling people. It is also not a detailed investigation. All it is is some general observations based on some sketchy data. As for an actual 'study' with analysis:
Full List: Cars Most Likely To Get A Ticket - Forbes
They actually use traffic DATA from insurance companies. Is it a perfect study - no. Certainly more accurate than previous one. Did you author that study? It sure seems to have gotten your knickers in a knot all these people disagreeing with it.
Sorry if we hurt your genius feelings.

[Joe B]

Originally Posted by Giller

As for an actual 'study' with analysis:
Full List: Cars Most Likely To Get A Ticket - Forbes

I got bored after looking at the first 3. Talk about not-user friendly! You had to download a new page for each car ranked. They could have included a summary chart, but of course then you wouldn't need to look at a zillion Forbes pages .

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Joe B

I got bored after looking at the first 3. Talk about not-user friendly! You had to download a new page for each car ranked. They could have included a summary chart, but of course then you wouldn't need to look at a zillion Forbes pages .

Yeah, there really is scant information on the net about this. Obviously not a hot topic out there. Also, would imagine the information is so spread out, it would take quite a bit of time to complile all the data?

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Any time (see how I avoided the question about producing references there? NICE) [sic].



... this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped....

*Awaiting your references....*