First ticket

[bobbeck]

This study is so off. A WRX even though it's pretty mainstream honestly is still something you may not see every day. I've ticked more Civics, Altimas, Camrys and SUVs simply because there's more of them.

Originally Posted by cfos

Nary a Porsche on the list:

Which car to drive if you want to get the most tickets - The Washington Post

Begs the question, of who is truly getting profiled, doesn't it? Or... dare I suggest, who the driver is, and what their actions are...

The Dodge Viper Is The Least Ticketed Car On The Road. Really? - Forbes

"What’s more, a surprising number of other truly fast-and-furious sports cars fall way farther down the list than one might otherwise suspect. These include bona fide barn-burners like the Jaguar XJR (#519), Porsche Cayman (#512), Acura NSX (#496), Porsche Panamera (#490), Jaguar XK8 (#486), Honda S2000 (#476) and the Mazda RX-7 (#459), along with two models that are virtually vehicular wanted posters for moving violations, the Porsche 911 (#447) and the Chevrolet Corvette (#420). "

While the Boxster does rank higher... according to this study, Volt owners have more complaints:



So... because Boxsters (986s) are cheaper than other models (and lesssss than a new WRX), and appear available (generally)... does that result in a more aggressive style of driving by the owner...? More shenanigans?

From the Forbes article:

“Cars don’t get tickets, drivers do—but those drivers like the WRX,” Des Toups, the managing editor of Insurance.com, said in a statement. Sports cars—and more expensive cars in general—tend to be owned by older people, who statistically speaking are less likely to be ticketed or, for that matter, crash (look no further than high insurance premiums for young people for evidence). "The Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper and Nissan GT-R rank well below average for tickets even though they can easily double the highest speed limits. But those cars are also costly, so their buyers tend to be older and take fewer risks," Toups said.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by bobbeck

This study is so off..

Also, it lists those ticketed and not which are most often stopped. Completely different numbers..

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Also, it lists those ticketed and not which are most often stopped. Completely different numbers..

You're right. It lists those ticketed and the cars they drove.

Did I misread the title of the thread and discussion? I didn't see where the title changed to, "I was speeding and stopped, but the cop let me go cuz he thought my car was cool!" And I must have missed all the subsequent posts that said, "Yeah cops stop me all the time to tell me how cool, timeless, and classic my car is, and then compliment me on my driving skills once they see me - cuz they KNOW that only a skilled driver such as myself can clearly judge appropriate speed levels. We then launch into discourse about how the better cops know and understand that speed limits only apply to ricers and common folk who are too stupid to know how do drive as well as me - because I drive a Porsche 986."

Please accept my sincere apologies for not posting this type of study in a relevant thread that focused on getting a ticket, and all the crosses that Porsche owners bear because of the car they drive, and how they know better than everyone else about road speeds.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

We then launch into discourse about how the better cops know and understand that speed limits only apply to ricers and common folk who are too stupid to know how do drive as well as me - because I drive a Porsche 986."

It is not the driver it is the car, a cops main job is safety, and slowing down a civic that will under steer into oblivion or a f-350 that could plow through 3 houses is more important than slowing down one of the cars with the most active safety on the road.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

It is not the driver it is the car, a cops main job is safety, and slowing down a civic that will under steer into oblivion or a f-350 that could plow through 3 houses is more important than slowing down one of the cars with the most active safety on the road.

Oh, again, I apologize. I wasn't aware that cops are taught about the physics of each and every car so that they know "under steer" and can pick it out within the few seconds they have of a car traveling at 55mph+. So glad you told me of this.

Oh yeah, I guess you also imply that all Porsche owners undergo a rigorous assessment to demonstrate their complete lack of asshattery, once behind the wheel, enabling them to get a free pass, unless in Cyprus.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Oh, again, I apologize. I wasn't aware that cops are taught about the physics of each and every car so that they know "under steer" and can pick it out within the few seconds they have of a car traveling at 55mph+. So glad you told me of this.

They will pull you over regardless, however, it is fairly disrespectful to assume that cops are not educated on the vehicles they are patrolling. Once they pull you over though, as well as attitude they do take into consideration this risk of you driving at speed in a capable sports car in comparison with something more dangerous. Think of how much more concerned a cop would be if a 2000 intrepid was going 90 with a trailer full of mattresses as apposed to a Boxster traveling the same speed, you may get a ticket regardless but chances are lower in the Boxster.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

They will pull you over regardless, however, it is fairly disrespectful to assume that cops are not educated on the vehicles they are patrolling. Once they pull you over though, as well as attitude they do take into consideration this risk of you driving at speed in a capable sports car in comparison with something more dangerous. Think of how much more concerned a cop would be if a 2000 intrepid was going 90 with a trailer full of mattresses as apposed to a Boxster traveling the same speed, you may get a ticket regardless but chances are lower in the Boxster.

It's not disrespect; I just think (hope) that the education and training that officers receive focus more on other things than on car knowledge - like being able to spot a potential drunk driver or someone weaving, etc.

I mean, wasn't your point earlier that it is the driver and not the car that earns a ticket. Besides, how did we go from Honda civic to a Intrepid doing 90 while towing while the Porsche remains a Porsche? Did I miss the part about the Honda towing something? And now your suggesting cops should also know/do know the year of a vehicle? Out of curiosity, what ARE the things that we should know about a 2000 intrepid? Is that model year, compared to the others, less capable of doing 90 while towing mattresses?

[JayG]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

They will pull you over regardless, however, it is fairly disrespectful to assume that cops are not educated on the vehicles they are patrolling. Once they pull you over though, as well as attitude they do take into consideration this risk of you driving at speed in a capable sports car in comparison with something more dangerous. Think of how much more concerned a cop would be if a 2000 intrepid was going 90 with a trailer full of mattresses as apposed to a Boxster traveling the same speed, you may get a ticket regardless but chances are lower in the Boxster.

You have had you license for how many months now?

[Giller]

Originally Posted by cfos

Oh, again, I apologize. I wasn't aware that cops are taught about the physics of each and every car so that they know "under steer" and can pick it out within the few seconds they have of a car traveling at 55mph+. So glad you told me of this.

Oh yeah, I guess you also imply that all Porsche owners undergo a rigorous assessment to demonstrate their complete lack of asshattery, once behind the wheel, enabling them to get a free pass, unless in Cyprus.

If I was a cop and pulled someone over with an attitude like yours - he's getting a ticket no matter what he's driving.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Giller

If I was a cop and pulled someone over with an attitude like yours - he's getting a ticket no matter what he's driving.

Well, good for you!

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by cfos

You're right.

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

And also - from what I understand the 'study' was simply asking people if they ever got a ticket and what they were driving (vehilce) at the time. This 'study' doesn't come from any law enforcement data - simply anecdotes told by people.
So many variables involved in this that I'm not sure how much stock should be put in it.

[cfos]

Yes, yes. But regardless of your opinions and poking at this study... I still await PL or Giller to produce a competing study. I mean (Giller), your complaint is that the posted study just asked people - how is your statement any different than the people asked it the study? Flawed as it may be, you haven't provided anything to back your position up. "That's just like your opinion, man." Just sayin.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by cfos

Yes, yes. But regardless of your opinions and poking at this study... I still await PL or Giller to produce a competing study. I mean (Giller), your complaint is that the posted study just asked people - how is your statement any different than the people asked it the study? Flawed as it may be, you haven't provided anything to back your position up. "That's just like your opinion, man." Just sayin.

A study is defined as "a detailed investigation and analysis of a subject or situation". There is no analysis in this. It is not a 'study' - it is an observation. There is no scientific backing of this other than picking up the phone and calling people. It is also not a detailed investigation. All it is is some general observations based on some sketchy data. As for an actual 'study' with analysis:
Full List: Cars Most Likely To Get A Ticket - Forbes
They actually use traffic DATA from insurance companies. Is it a perfect study - no. Certainly more accurate than previous one. Did you author that study? It sure seems to have gotten your knickers in a knot all these people disagreeing with it.
Sorry if we hurt your genius feelings.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Any time (see how I avoided the question about producing references there? NICE) [sic].



... this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped....

*Awaiting your references....*