First ticket

[jdraupp]

I spend most of my time looking for drunks because I work nights. Most of the drunks I get on the Interstate are cars I pull out after for speeding. Biggest dope bust I've had to date was for a speeding stop. Call the system arbitrary, but it works that way. The goal is to gain voluntary compliance. Some people will realize the goal just by having my lights on in their mirror and do not need a ticket. Some people will only slow down if you hit their wallets. Its my goal to talk to people on stops and figure out which one they are. Sometimes they even fall into a category that requires jail for the things they have in their cars or the things they put in their bodies.

European speed cameras do get people to slow down...When they see cameras. All the local commuters, who are the worst speeding violators I run into, know where the cameras are, slow down for them, then pick it right back up.

[cfos]

Nary a Porsche on the list:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/01/which-car-to-drive-if-you-want-to-get-the-most-tickets/

Begs the question, of who is truly getting profiled, doesn't it? Or... dare I suggest, who the driver is, and what their actions are...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2014/10/01/the-dodge-viper-is-the-least-ticketed-car-on-the-road-really/

"What’s more, a surprising number of other truly fast-and-furious sports cars fall way farther down the list than one might otherwise suspect. These include bona fide barn-burners like the Jaguar XJR (#519), Porsche Cayman (#512), Acura NSX (#496), Porsche Panamera (#490), Jaguar XK8 (#486), Honda S2000 (#476) and the Mazda RX-7 (#459), along with two models that are virtually vehicular wanted posters for moving violations, the Porsche 911 (#447) and the Chevrolet Corvette (#420). "

While the Boxster does rank higher... according to this study, Volt owners have more complaints:



So... because Boxsters (986s) are cheaper than other models (and lesssss than a new WRX), and appear available (generally)... does that result in a more aggressive style of driving by the owner...? More shenanigans?

From the Forbes article:

“Cars don’t get tickets, drivers do—but those drivers like the WRX,” Des Toups, the managing editor of Insurance.com, said in a statement. Sports cars—and more expensive cars in general—tend to be owned by older people, who statistically speaking are less likely to be ticketed or, for that matter, crash (look no further than high insurance premiums for young people for evidence). "The Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper and Nissan GT-R rank well below average for tickets even though they can easily double the highest speed limits. But those cars are also costly, so their buyers tend to be older and take fewer risks," Toups said.

[bobbeck]

This study is so off. A WRX even though it's pretty mainstream honestly is still something you may not see every day. I've ticked more Civics, Altimas, Camrys and SUVs simply because there's more of them.

Originally Posted by cfos

Nary a Porsche on the list:

Which car to drive if you want to get the most tickets - The Washington Post

Begs the question, of who is truly getting profiled, doesn't it? Or... dare I suggest, who the driver is, and what their actions are...

The Dodge Viper Is The Least Ticketed Car On The Road. Really? - Forbes

"What’s more, a surprising number of other truly fast-and-furious sports cars fall way farther down the list than one might otherwise suspect. These include bona fide barn-burners like the Jaguar XJR (#519), Porsche Cayman (#512), Acura NSX (#496), Porsche Panamera (#490), Jaguar XK8 (#486), Honda S2000 (#476) and the Mazda RX-7 (#459), along with two models that are virtually vehicular wanted posters for moving violations, the Porsche 911 (#447) and the Chevrolet Corvette (#420). "

While the Boxster does rank higher... according to this study, Volt owners have more complaints:



So... because Boxsters (986s) are cheaper than other models (and lesssss than a new WRX), and appear available (generally)... does that result in a more aggressive style of driving by the owner...? More shenanigans?

From the Forbes article:

“Cars don’t get tickets, drivers do—but those drivers like the WRX,” Des Toups, the managing editor of Insurance.com, said in a statement. Sports cars—and more expensive cars in general—tend to be owned by older people, who statistically speaking are less likely to be ticketed or, for that matter, crash (look no further than high insurance premiums for young people for evidence). "The Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper and Nissan GT-R rank well below average for tickets even though they can easily double the highest speed limits. But those cars are also costly, so their buyers tend to be older and take fewer risks," Toups said.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by bobbeck

This study is so off..

Also, it lists those ticketed and not which are most often stopped. Completely different numbers..

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Also, it lists those ticketed and not which are most often stopped. Completely different numbers..

You're right. It lists those ticketed and the cars they drove.

Did I misread the title of the thread and discussion? I didn't see where the title changed to, "I was speeding and stopped, but the cop let me go cuz he thought my car was cool!" And I must have missed all the subsequent posts that said, "Yeah cops stop me all the time to tell me how cool, timeless, and classic my car is, and then compliment me on my driving skills once they see me - cuz they KNOW that only a skilled driver such as myself can clearly judge appropriate speed levels. We then launch into discourse about how the better cops know and understand that speed limits only apply to ricers and common folk who are too stupid to know how do drive as well as me - because I drive a Porsche 986."

Please accept my sincere apologies for not posting this type of study in a relevant thread that focused on getting a ticket, and all the crosses that Porsche owners bear because of the car they drive, and how they know better than everyone else about road speeds.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

We then launch into discourse about how the better cops know and understand that speed limits only apply to ricers and common folk who are too stupid to know how do drive as well as me - because I drive a Porsche 986."

It is not the driver it is the car, a cops main job is safety, and slowing down a civic that will under steer into oblivion or a f-350 that could plow through 3 houses is more important than slowing down one of the cars with the most active safety on the road.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by cfos

You're right.

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

[peterbrown77]

You can't extrapolate anything from that chart unless it is correlated to miles driven. I'm sure that the Veyron is at the bottom of the list too, but there aren't many of them and they sure aren't used for the daily commute.

[Xpit77]

How much is the fine ? Any points ?
Here in Ontario that`s an 80km in a 50. 30 over, that`s a chunk of change and a few points and if it`s not your first. Well ol` Mr/Ms Insurance people get out the calculator.And if was in a marked school zone even if school wasn`t in...woah buddy.
We also have a law here called Stunt Driving which is speeding, racing or just being an idiot behind the wheel. Open wallet, remove license and hand over the keys on the spot no trial until later on maybe weeks. Cars impounded for 7 days. Ricer kids caused all of this.Saves lives though.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Xpit77

How much is the fine ? Any points ?
Here in Ontario that`s an 80km in a 50. 30 over, that`s a chunk of change and a few points and if it`s not your first. Well ol` Mr/Ms Insurance people get out the calculator.And if was in a marked school zone even if school wasn`t in...woah buddy.
We also have a law here called Stunt Driving which is speeding, racing or just being an idiot behind the wheel. Open wallet, remove license and hand over the keys on the spot no trial until later on maybe weeks. Cars impounded for 7 days. Ricer kids caused all of this.Saves lives though.

The law says if you go 50kph over - you run the risk of having your car impounded on the spot. Scares me - cause with the box, it's so easy to end up 50 over when passing. Really have to pay attention. It's not often I have to use the brakes on my DD when passing, so it's tough in the Box.

[BIGJake111]

It's say it isn't down to if the driver has money or not, look at how the jdm crowd tends to drive in comparison to others. Which I will say is why the low place of the gtr is fascinating. However remember where do most get tickets, daily commute on the highway, people drive their sports cars but not as commonly under the cops nose as your average wrx daily. This could be a large factor.

[jdraupp]

Big jake, you hit the nail on the head when you said daily commute. People get so focused on going to work or they run late and rely on going way too fast or they simply get comfortable with the road and think they won't see a cop. I have a rpad I like to work around 5 am and I've stopped people more than once going just as fast as the first time I stopped them. I stop you once and you got a warning, the second time you aren't getting a warning.

[husker boxster]

Originally Posted by jdraupp

I have a road I like to work around 5 am and I've stopped people more than once going just as fast as the first time I stopped them.

This is what I meant when I said "That doesn't mean there aren't places where I speed". I'm lucky the locals don't patrol the main road I drive to work in the 33 yrs I've been using it. But once again, if I get a ticket for speeding, I deserve it.

And Gforrest2 - it's unlucky to be superstitious.

[mikefocke]

Now in my red 914 I got tickets at 27, my silver Boxsters at 60+, never. My bet it had something to do with my driving style.

In the 914, they were right every time.

[cfos]

Well, since this study is, apparently way off, please show me something more accurate than, "Because, I say it is way off."

[ByteSaidFred]

I'm all for enforcing laws for public safety, but I've seen way too many traffic stops focused on revenue generation. Pulling over cars going 15 over on an empty interstate seems to be much more common than pulling 15+ in residential areas.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by ByteSaidFred

I'm all for enforcing laws for public safety, but I've seen way too many traffic stops focused on revenue generation. Pulling over cars going 15 over on an empty interstate seems to be much more common than pulling 15+ in residential areas.

In Colorado they had a long interstate that had a 2-3 mile section of 50 on a 75 mph interstate. There are like 2 empty shacks. CHP hides behind 1. Total a$$ hole about it if you call it a revenue building corridor.

[Perfectlap]

Giller you are correct. It's a survey, and Cfos was trying to use it to further some point about Porsche drivers and their interactions with law enforcement. I think a study of supermarket data regarding favorite ice cream flavor would have carried more weight. Then he challenged us to produce something to contradict this survey as if his quoted survey was something beyond anecdote (rife with problems). His challenge is asking us to say "I see you one opinion survey and raise you a bigger opinion survey".

Then he posts a picture of a drag queen which is a total non sequitur.

[gmboxster]

As a causal observer, cfos, sure seems like one bitter individual. For some reason.

On a different note, if I'm speeding and get a ticket I wouldn't say a word because I would know I deserved it.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by gmboxster

As a causal observer, cfos, sure seems like one bitter individual. For some reason.

On a different note, if I'm speeding and get a ticket I wouldn't say a word because I would know I deserved it.

Oh, thank you for your opinion. However, I don't really find myself to be bitter - but carry on with whatever you believe. Much like Jake and spellin' & grammah, you will never get through to me.

But I digress, what I was merely asking for was PL or Giller to back up their assumptions with... something other than attitude.

I admitted that what I cited may not be accurate. Which is fine. Giller's post is from 2010. Maybe there really isn't anything out there on the topic.

But, in explanation of my actions, I thought I might make an example of how I perceived their behavior. Having been to parts of Canada, I fell in love with the Couche Owl, and having been to NJ, I'm aware of the prevalence of orange people. Does that mean that these are the dominate gas stations and people of both areas? I dunno. Could be, but that's just my opinion, backed by Google:



After asking again and again, Giller provided a valid critique and did post something, yet I still don't see any Porsches on this "better" study. So, again, I do not believe this Porsche profiling to exist as much as others would lead us to believe. I also like to think that people should drive responsibly - and that's the real tragedy. Compare the posts that raise alarm over 20 mph over a limit in a residential zone to, " damn Porsche get so many tickets and I feel your pain and don't cops know we are great drivers with well-built cars who know what we are doing." Ok, maybe that is a slight exaggeration.