Need opinions on a summer project.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Out of curiosity, Jake, what do you define as the difference between "marketing" and "begging"? While we are at it, how about the difference between "hipster" and "slacker"?

I was waiting for your opinion on this. A slacker would not take the time to make something constructive about this. A slacker would rather ask their parents to buy them a volvo which i could do right now and have happen right now. As for marketing and begging, the idea is to allow the people interested (as it is not everyones cup of tea) to come by and have their name on a soon to be one of a kind car with quite the story behind it. If it is so facepalm worthy, which i could easily see it being so, then meeting the goal would be quite the feat of marketing, because begging does not get you past something so ridiculous.

[Jamesp]

Remember Jake, If men were meant to fly, they'd have wings. And at most, the world will need about half a dozen large computers. The patent office will soon be closing because everything worth inventing has already been invented, and if your elders did it that way, then you should too. Keep those things firmly in mind and when your old and gray like me you can stand on your front porch and shake your cane while yelling "get off my lawn!". Or, you could strike out and do something unique that some call "begging" or "slacking" and succeed or fail, you'll have done it. It seems the younger generation sees things differently, and values different things than the older. And the joke on the older generation is that they did the same thing when they were young imparting the same discomfort on the preceding older generation, they just forgot (they're old). Some things don't change. I wish you success.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

Remember Jake, If men were meant to fly, they'd have wings. And at most, the world will need about half a dozen large computers. The patent office will soon be closing because everything worth inventing has already been invented, and if your elders did it that way, then you should too. Keep those things firmly in mind and when your old and gray like me you can stand on your front porch and shake your cane while yelling "get off my lawn!". Or, you could strike out and do something unique that some call "begging" or "slacking" and succeed or fail, you'll have done it. It seems the younger generation sees things differently, and values different things than the older. And the joke on the older generation is that they did the same thing when they were young imparting the same discomfort on the preceding older generation, they just forgot (they're old). Some things don't change. I wish you success.

Let's keep it simple. You are, of course, positing that Jake will own a lawn and a front porch -- Last time I checked in with some 20-somethings, many still lived at home. And while we're at educating Jake, tell him where his social security will be, too, when he's of a age. :ah: Let's hope he will have his perspective then, too.

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by cfos

Let's keep it simple. You are, of course, positing that Jake will own a lawn and a front porch -- Last time I checked in with some 20-somethings, many still lived at home. And while we're at educating Jake, tell him where his social security will be, too, when he's of a age. :ah: Let's hope he will have his perspective then, too.

And exactly what type of car were you driving at Jake's age, and precisely what international business ventures were you creating? (good thing for the internet or that whole "international business ventures" thing wouldn't fly). Jake seems to be doing ok, not what I would do, but then again, I'm way too busy shaking my cane. Folks are investing in fake money called "bit coin" now, paying real money for pretend "swords of power" or the like in video games. Heck a name in an old Volvo at least has ink, for those still stuck on material goods. And interestingly kids nowadays don't want material goods, say a CD, they don't want the physical item. They want the electronic music file. Less to carry around I guess.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

And exactly what type of car were you driving at Jake's age, and precisely what international business ventures were you creating? (good thing for the internet or that whole "international business ventures" thing wouldn't fly). Jake seems to be doing ok, not what I would do, but then again, I'm way too busy shaking my cane. Folks are investing in fake money called "bit coin" now, paying real money for pretend "swords of power" or the like in video games. Heck a name in an old Volvo at least has ink, for those still stuck on material goods. And interestingly kids nowadays don't want material goods, say a CD, they don't want the physical item. They want the electronic music file. Less to carry around I guess.

Since you asked, Oldsmobile Delta 88. And, no I wasn't doing international business ventures. I bought and sold comics and baseball cards and invested in stocks (which started when I was a few years younger than Jake, thank you very much). Aside from working as a minor for my parents (started at minimum wage) and getting my first job at 15 and 10 months (earliest age to get working papers), I worked multiple jobs, saved, and invested and learned to capitalize "I" in sentences at a much earlier age than Jake. And now, if you'll permit me a question, you rage against bit coin... do you use credit cards? I mean, what's credit anyway, old man? Is it any more tangible?

Jake asked for opinions and mine is that I think this is stupid, but not as stupid as the thread with the guy who hates cats rallying over claw marks in soft tops. Furthermore, I don't think Jake understands what marketing is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgu7jdc_fs

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by cfos

Since you asked, Oldsmobile Delta 88. And, no I wasn't doing international business ventures. I bought and sold comics and baseball cards and invested in stocks (which started when I was a few years younger than Jake, thank you very much). Aside from working as a minor for my parents (started at minimum wage) and getting my first job at 15 and 10 months (earliest age to get working papers), I worked multiple jobs, saved, and invested and learned to capitalize "I" in sentences at a much earlier age than Jake. And now, if you'll permit me a question, you rage against bit coin... do you use credit cards? I mean, what's credit anyway, old man? Is it any more tangible?

I caddied for a local golf course at 12 (yeah, either the laws were different, or they needed caddies). Was in the lowest rate group and got the smallest tips. Us little ones were always the last picked if picked at all. :ah: Had my own leaf raking and then snow blowing business after that. And what is that bit about "rage over bit coin"? If I were raging there would be lots of extra punctuation, capitol letters, and maybe a troll or two. :troll: :troll:

oh yeah, and as for that "old man" crack, I shake my cane at you!

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

I caddied for a local golf course at 12 (yeah, either the laws were different, or they needed caddies). Was in the lowest rate group and got the smallest tips. Us little ones were always the last picked if picked at all. :ah: Had my own leaf raking and then snow blowing business after that. And what is that bit about "rage over bit coin"? If I were raging there would be lots of extra punctuation, capitol letters, and maybe a troll or two. :troll: :troll:

oh yeah, and as for that "old man" crack, I shake my cane at you!

Lol. I'm prone to exaggerate.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Since you asked, Oldsmobile Delta 88. And, no I wasn't doing international business ventures. I bought and sold comics and baseball cards and invested in stocks (which started when I was a few years younger than Jake, thank you very much). Aside from working as a minor for my parents (started at minimum wage) and getting my first job at 15 and 10 months (earliest age to get working papers), I worked multiple jobs, saved, and invested and learned to capitalize "I" in sentences at a much earlier age than Jake. And now, if you'll permit me a question, you rage against bit coin... do you use credit cards? I mean, what's credit anyway, old man? Is it any more tangible?

Jake asked for opinions and mine is that I think this is stupid, but not as stupid as the thread with the guy who hates cats rallying over claw marks in soft tops. Furthermore, I don't think Jake understands what marketing is.

Lloyd Dobler explains what he wants to do with his life - YouTube

Your opinion is always welcome but i must say, i watched that movie this afternoon, and i was considering posting this quote, and now i have to

Diane Court: Nobody thinks it will work, do they?
Lloyd Dobler: No. You just described every great success story.

http://www.gofundme.com/help-me-own-a-beater The finished product

[kjc2050]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Help me own a beater daily driver. by Jacob Roach - GoFundMe The finished product

As a marketing initiative, this is exceedingly weak. I'd be shocked if you receive any donations. Let me explain:

• What exactly are you "marketing?"
• As far as I can figure out, you are giving people the opportunity to aid you in getting a car, and in return for doing so, they get their name added to the car's dash
• BUT: you don't mention this ANYWHERE...
• It's only until someone clicks on the "Donate" button that they learn this
• And THEN, you don't bother to show or tell how contributors' names will be displayed...
• Will they be inscribed on a plate? Written with a Sharpie?? Scribbled with a Crayola? I have no idea, because you never say

This is a pathetic job of marketing, plus I'm sure you'll turn off many potential contributors by telling about your poor ruined Boxster. Not many people are going to give money to a high school student who had a Porsche. Additionally, the story about the "altercation" and police report is just plain confusing. Who cares? To the average person logging onto the gofundme page, you're just a spoiled kid with a confused story and a half-assed pitch for donations.

Good luck.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by cfos

Since you asked, Oldsmobile Delta 88. And, no I wasn't doing international business ventures. I bought and sold comics and baseball cards and invested in stocks (which started when I was a few years younger than Jake, thank you very much). Aside from working as a minor for my parents (started at minimum wage) and getting my first job at 15 and 10 months (earliest age to get working papers), I worked multiple jobs, saved, and invested and learned to capitalize "I" in sentences at a much earlier age than Jake.

This sounds like an average kid from my area.....

[cfos]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

This sounds like an average kid from my area.....

Never said I was special. Just someone that worked, has respect for punctuation and grammar, and willing to calls 'em as I sees 'em. However, I will say, that when I was Jake's age, I don't think I had as many "delusions of grandeur" as the scruffy nerf herder hipster doofus.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

Remember Jake, If men were meant to fly, they'd have wings. And at most, the world will need about half a dozen large computers. The patent office will soon be closing because everything worth inventing has already been invented, and if your elders did it that way, then you should too. Keep those things firmly in mind and when your old and gray like me you can stand on your front porch and shake your cane while yelling "get off my lawn!". Or, you could strike out and do something unique that some call "begging" or "slacking" and succeed or fail, you'll have done it. It seems the younger generation sees things differently, and values different things than the older. And the joke on the older generation is that they did the same thing when they were young imparting the same discomfort on the preceding older generation, they just forgot (they're old). Some things don't change. I wish you success.

Thank you, it means alot, I am sure it does not appeal to all, but at the very least it will be interesting to see how people react, to see where this goes.

[tommy583]

I'd actually rather give you a few bucks towards your car than give money to every store that asks me if I want to donate to the children at checkout. Who are these "children" you want me to donate to I ask the person running the register? A blank look is all they can usually produce. At least with you I know where my donation would be going.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by tommy583

I'd actually rather give you a few bucks towards your car than give money to every store that asks me if I want to donate to the children at checkout. Who are these "children" you want me to donate to I ask the person running the register? A blank look is all they can usually produce. At least with you I know where my donation would be going.

Or you could at least consider checking charity navigator, assuming you cared. They only award 4-stars to charities that, among other things, dedicate $0.85 of every dollar donated to programs. Here, I'll help, since you seem so interested in helping less fortunate Charity Navigator - America's Largest Charity Evaluator | Home

[tommy583]

Originally Posted by cfos

Or you could at least consider checking charity navigator, assuming you cared. They only award 4-stars to charities that, among other things, dedicate $0.85 of every dollar donated to programs. Here, I'll help, since you seem so interested in helping less fortunate Charity Navigator - America's Largest Charity Evaluator | Home

Thank you. That was very helpful. I often think that the stores are more padding their own pockets than actually giving to the less fortunate.

On another note. Jake asking for money to buy a car so he doesn't have to drive his Porsche to school is so far out there that it just might work

[cfos]

Originally Posted by tommy583

Thank you. That was very helpful. I often think that the stores are more padding their own pockets than actually giving to the less fortunate.

On another note. Jake asking for money to buy a car so he doesn't have to drive his Porsche to school is so far out there that it just might work

I wish it were more complete, but alas they are also a 501(c)(3). Of note, they do also cite some charities that have violations. Having said that, those change boxes can mean up to $2000-$3000 annually, depending on the number and distribution. As a general donation, these type help nonprofits as the money is not restricted and can be spend on things like administration, salaries... basically anything.

[TeamOxford]

Originally Posted by tommy583

Jake asking for money to buy a car so he doesn't have to drive his Porsche to school is so far out there that it just might work

His parents would be so proud. Sniff.

TO

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

I was waiting for your opinion on this. A slacker would not take the time to make something constructive about this. A slacker would rather ask their parents to buy them a volvo which i could do right now and have happen right now. As for marketing and begging, the idea is to allow the people interested (as it is not everyones cup of tea) to come by and have their name on a soon to be one of a kind car with quite the story behind it. If it is so facepalm worthy, which i could easily see it being so, then meeting the goal would be quite the feat of marketing, because begging does not get you past something so ridiculous.

I guess I'm not seeing the value in what you offer. Nor what is constructive about this...

So, your argument here is that having your name on a car makes this a "marketing" experiment?

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

I guess I'm not seeing the value in what you offer. Nor what is constructive about this...

So, your argument here is that having your name on a car makes this a "marketing" experiment?

I am selling an idea am I not? The idea of a kick starter is a pitch. Now would I personally spend some money on this, likely not, but would it make me smile to see a Volvo with a bunch of names written on the dash at cars and coffee, I sure would.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

I am selling an idea am I not? The idea of a kick starter is a pitch. Now would I personally spend some money on this, likely not, but would it make me smile to see a Volvo with a bunch of names written on the dash at cars and coffee, I sure would.

Are you? It sounds to me like you are charging people to sign their name on a car.