PORSCHE 718 - New entry-level Roadster in 2016

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Yeah, I guess you're right... I mean Woody Allen hasn't been able to make a movie or get an award, since, well, you know... If I remember correctly, Chappaquiddick really affected Ted Kennedy's career... Steve Howe was never able to pitch again after testing positive for cocaine... unintended acceleration killed Toyota... Bill Clinton hasn't shown his face after defining what "is" is...

I can understand passion for a team because they engage in competition, but passion for an automaker? Really? I mean are these going to be the cars Porsche enters in races? Do you gear up on Porsche clothes to go to the dealership and see your favorite players? Get autographs from the certified mechanics? Trade Porsche cards? Are you affected if they switch fonts in Panamera? If the receptionist at Porsche NA leaves for a new job, does it make you cry?

Oh, and by the way, I disagree with your assertion that the new model affects older car resale -- please show your evidence -- I ask anyone here who bought or sold a car: Have you honestly low-balled (or been low-balled) into selling their car because of the proposed release of a new car that hasn't been built, devalued the brand? Here's my experience -- when the Cayenne was first released, I thought if a car maker wanted to transform Admiral Akbar into a car, this is what it would look like. Somehow, Porsche continues to exist. Somehow, the 911 manages to exist after the 914, the girl-power Boxster, fried egg headlights, and Admiral Akbar on wheels. Somehow, McDonalds is still there after the McPizza, the McLean, the Arch Deluxe, Grimace... Somehow, Timco is still allowed to post after the whole fiat (or Smart Car?) flipping thread (I apologize if I am incorrect in the particular car, I really didn't pay too much attention to that thread).

Hey i stayed out of the smart car thread myself, but really is that my only grammar mistake? Pat on the back to myself! However, i would say that A. with the brand devaluation, i would never have been interested in old corvettes, until the new one came out, the new Cadillacs have impressed me as well with gm and has opened me up to the older cars of the brand. On the flip-side the heavy, turbo charged, lesser cylinders BMWs of today have given me a lack of interest in the bmws of yesterday. With the brand passion, for me Porsche's Motorsport performance is a given, but the number of times that the boxster has been rated best roadster and has been on car and drivers top 10 list is what i care about. With the Porsche cars, you are kinda right, i am all about what the journalist have to say about the brand i care for. There are Lancer Evo nuts that could care less about anything to do with rally history or anything, there passion is the street car, nothing to do with Motorsport. I really like the Macan, because it is best in class, all i am really after is Porsche being the best in this and the best in that, because i think it is safe to say that we all enjoy to associate with things considered as the best.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Hey i stayed out of the smart car thread myself, but really is that my only grammar mistake? Pat on the back to myself! However, i would say that A. with the brand devaluation, i would never have been interested in old corvettes, until the new one came out, the new Cadillacs have impressed me as well with gm and blah blah blah. With the brand passion, for me Porsche's Motorsport performance is a given, but the number of times that the boxster has been rated best roadster and has been on car and drivers top 10 list is what i care about. With the Porsche cars, you are kinda right, i am all about what the journalist have to say about the brand i care for. There are Lancer Evo nuts that could care less about anything to do with rally history or anything, there passion is the street car, nothing to do with Motorsport. I really like the Macan, because it is best in class, all i am really after is Porsche being the best in this and the best in that, because i think it is safe to say that we all enjoy to associate with things considered as the best.

No, not only mistake, just the one that stood out to me the most. Anyway, I'm trying to understand what you said before the blah blah blah.

You said that "with brand devaluation, i would never have been interested..." -- ok, so what I take this to mean is that you have no free will, just follow trends and other people's input. Ok, so be it. To be honest, "value" is flexible and only determined by the amount person x will pay for something. We had to pay above asking to secure a house. Was it worth it? I dunno. We are happy (even with having to replace 2 water heaters, furnace repairs, yada yada yada) and not everything in life needs to balance in life. Being happy, is something I've paid for in the past and will overpay in the future. What else are you going to do with money?

You go on to say, "... the number of times that the boxster has been rated best roadster and has been on car and drivers top 10 list is what i care about..." -- so, if you are the example of a typical boxster buyer -- I think you already proved what I was saying earlier -- that a hypothetical concept car isn't going to devalue the boxster to the buyer or seller. Ok.

Finally, you close with, "I really like the Macan, because it is best in class, all i am really after is Porsche being the best in this and the best in that, because i think it is safe to say that we all enjoy to associate with things considered as the best." Now, here I disagree. I think it's nice that other people think it's best in class, but I'm more about making decisions based on my own opinions based on experience, research, and personal taste. Today, I dropped off my car for an oil change and was given a 2014 Panamera 4 to tool around town with (of course, only 50 miles of gas in the tank, but that's ok, I'm used to it). Lots of neat features, and I couldn't tell you whether it is best in anything, because I simply don't like the styling. So, if it is best in anything, it still won't be the car I buy. Also, it won't affect how I feel about my current car. But that's me.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

No, not only mistake, just the one that stood out to me the most. Anyway, I'm trying to understand what you said before the blah blah blah.

You said that "with brand devaluation, i would never have been interested..." -- ok, so what I take this to mean is that you have no free will, just follow trends and other people's input.

Have yet to read anything past this, and it is because I did not like what Chevy or Caddie was. Has nothing to do with what others think. However, my opinion is influenced by those educated enough to have driven the cars and competitors to compare, hence why i like the new Cadillacs and they welcome me to the older bits of the brand is because of the opinion many journalist have on the new Cadillacs. If i think the dodge neon and any other dodge ever made is disgusting it is up to me and makes me care a good bit less for classic chargers and such. However on the contrary if dodge was to produce something I really cared for then i may grow some interest.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

No, not only mistake, just the one that stood out to me the most. Anyway, I'm trying to understand what you said before the blah blah blah.

You said that "with brand devaluation, i would never have been interested..." -- ok, so what I take this to mean is that you have no free will, just follow trends and other people's input. Ok, so be it. To be honest, "value" is flexible and only determined by the amount person x will pay for something. We had to pay above asking to secure a house. Was it worth it? I dunno. We are happy (even with having to replace 2 water heaters, furnace repairs, yada yada yada) and not everything in life needs to balance in life. Being happy, is something I've paid for in the past and will overpay in the future. What else are you going to do with money?

You go on to say, "... the number of times that the boxster has been rated best roadster and has been on car and drivers top 10 list is what i care about..." -- so, if you are the example of a typical boxster buyer -- I think you already proved what I was saying earlier -- that a hypothetical concept car isn't going to devalue the boxster to the buyer or seller. Ok.

Finally, you close with, "I really like the Macan, because it is best in class, all i am really after is Porsche being the best in this and the best in that, because i think it is safe to say that we all enjoy to associate with things considered as the best." Now, here I disagree. I think it's nice that other people think it's best in class, but I'm more about making decisions based on my own opinions based on experience, research, and personal taste. Today, I dropped off my car for an oil change and was given a 2014 Panamera 4 to tool around town with (of course, only 50 miles of gas in the tank, but that's ok, I'm used to it). Lots of neat features, and I couldn't tell you whether it is best in anything, because I simply don't like the styling. So, if it is best in anything, it still won't be the car I buy. Also, it won't affect how I feel about my current car. But that's me.

With the rest of your post, all good points . I just see my car as a Porsche as apposed to a boxster, and i see any other Porsche as a Porsche and not a whatever it may be, because of this i just hope the best for any model they produce. You can not say we are not all giddy over having the fastest lap ever around the ring as well as the fastest production lap under our name plate.