Problems with New 991

[Jake Raby]

Looks to me like the root of his problem the whole time has probably been the water intrusion... So, they just throw parts at it hoping it gets solved. Classic.

[HolmaN]

I feel really sorry for this guy, damn!

[Jake Raby]

Sadly I bet that most of these issue have stemmed from failed intervention along the way. Treating symptoms rather than an underlying condition.
Or you can just throw parts at it, and let a computer tell you how to think.

[WhipE350]

What ever happen to lemon laws. Maybe I should find his other videos and see if he talks about it.

[trimer]

Originally Posted by WhipE350

What ever happen to lemon laws. Maybe I should find his other videos and see if he talks about it.

If I'm not mistaken I think lemon law has to be same problem 3 times...not various problems?

[tonycarreon]

Originally Posted by WhipE350

What ever happen to lemon laws. Maybe I should find his other videos and see if he talks about it.

he's working his way through.
apparently at one point PCNA was going to buy the car back from him, but have decided to continue throwing parts at it hoping it's fixed and he'll keep the car.

the other videos are interesting as well.

mirrors automatically go down
random no starts
dash and electronics stop working
smoke from the windows
window rolls down
bad rear sensor

iirc this was the 8th trip in 6 months of ownership to the dealer for warranty work. he does mention that even the service advisor has said that the car is beyond repair and PCNA should take it back.

jake's bad grounding post is interesting. i would hope that in all those visits someone would have noticed it, but i wouldn't be surprised.

[crod]

Originally Posted by tonycarreon

he's working his way through.
apparently at one point PCNA was going to buy the car back from him, but have decided to continue throwing parts at it hoping it's fixed and he'll keep the car.

the other videos are interesting as well.

mirrors automatically go down
random no starts
dash and electronics stop working
smoke from the windows
window rolls down
bad rear sensor

iirc this was the 8th trip in 6 months of ownership to the dealer for warranty work. he does mention that even the service advisor has said that the car is beyond repair and PCNA should take it back.

jake's bad grounding post is interesting. i would hope that in all those visits someone would have noticed it, but i wouldn't be surprised.

Almost the same that happened with my Cayenne, bought brand new in 2006. Had all sorts of issues and over 48 months the car spent a full month at the dealer (in multiple visits). At one point I had to take pictures from the dash clearly showing the errors as they could not retrieve anything from the computer logs on the car. Once I did that Porsche stopped trying to charge me for diagnosing non-existent problems (according to them). Most of the issues were addressed but not all.

It was really funny to see the guy Porsche sent from Germany to work on a Carrera GT that had gremlins all over at the same dealer, then moving on and working on my Cayenne, trying to fix it. He almost got it right. LOL

Needless to say, once warranty was over, car was gone.

CR

[ekam]

Originally Posted by crod

Almost the same that happened with my Cayenne, bought brand new in 2006. Had all sorts of issues and over 48 months the car spent a full month at the dealer (in multiple visits). At one point I had to take pictures from the dash clearly showing the errors as they could not retrieve anything from the computer logs on the car. Once I did that Porsche stopped trying to charge me for diagnosing non-existent problems (according to them). Most of the issues were addressed but not all.

It was really funny to see the guy Porsche sent from Germany to work on a Carrera GT that had gremlins all over at the same dealer, then moving on and working on my Cayenne, trying to fix it. He almost got it right. LOL

Needless to say, once warranty was over, car was gone.

CR

So typical of early Cayennes and dealer mechanic "troubleshooting".

*plugs computer in* Computer shows no code.

"There, it's fixed!"

A monkey can plug the car to the computer and call themselves mechanic these days.

[thstone]

Porsche is now just another gigantic corporation and as such, I am not surprised at their actions. This fellow is just one of a planned 200,000 sales in 2014 and if Porsche loses him, it won't hurt at all.

More so, history has shown the Porsche brand/reputation to be invincible; nothing impugns their reputation or hurts future sales. Not water cooled engines, large SUV's, sedans, crossovers, etc. And certainly not poor customer service.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by thstone

Porsche is now just another gigantic corporation and as such, I am not surprised at their actions. This fellow is just one of a planned 200,000 sales in 2014 and if Porsche loses him, it won't hurt at all.

More so, history has shown the Porsche brand/reputation to be invincible; nothing impugns their reputation or hurts future sales. Not water cooled engines, large SUV's, sedans, crossovers, etc. And certainly not poor customer service.

Famous last words. Was that circa 1998?

When Porsche barely sold 1,200 of the 'legendary' Carreras in all of NA? During the greatest post-war bull market the U.S. had ever seen? When the top 1% were buying two of everything in each color and zee Porsche brand still manages to get itself on the brink of bankruptcy on account of no consumer interest in buying Porsches?

If that could happen in a rocket economy just imagine what could happen in a really lousy one.... because each new "financial collapse" will be worse than the last. It's like Tommy Lee Jones said in that one movie "It's the tide, the dismal tide. It's not the one thing." Just wait for a perfect storm of nightmare financial collapse coupled with a generation of customers that don't know Steve McQueen from Steve Harvey. As it is now most Porsche owners had no intention of buying a Carrera or Boxster/Cayman when they stepped foot in the dealer! They came for the SUV that they cross shopped with the Range Rover. To you and I the brand has history. To the typical Porsche buyer today, it's just another luxury badge. And a certain flavor of luxury can fall out of favor in a snap. Just put VW in charge for a while...

[coreseller]

How terrifying will it be in a few years for the poor guys who catch "Deals" on 5 to 7 year old P-Cars just out of warranty with all the new gizmos and PDK's starting to age and crap out?

[RedTele58]

Man - all those electrical problems, I thought he was driving a 928!

[The Radium King]

i think only half the story is getting told here. i haven't watched the other videos, but if it's true that he's hacked in a bunch of other electronic devices then he's lucky pcna is even honouring his warranty with respect to electrical issues. even the water in is car could be due to shoddy aftermarket wire routing. he's most likely the cause of all his own problems, as is evinced by the fact that his only recourse appears to be youtube videos that don't, apparently, tell the whole story.

what is more shocking to me is that an electrical problem (regardless of cause) can kill the engine and lock-up the transmission. that's recall stuff in the order of toyota - all it'll take is someone getting killed.

[Jake Raby]

My money says this loose ground lug is his ailment.. It would cause those issue when the conditions that he has encountered present themselves.

[Mark_T]

Well, at least some kids haven't tipped it over. That would be horrible. Especially if he's not in Texas.

[Ranfurly66]

Random comment - I think he's a Kiwi. Has to be a good guy!!

The problem with lots of tech is that these cars will get devalued on the basis of the cost of replacement electronic parts - 10 years old and you're spending a couple of grand a time to swap out broken electronics because they don't repair and have to replace.

It'll start to make keeping these Porsche's cost prohibitive when they're 10 to 15 years old. But you get the feeling Porsche no longer make cars to last in the same way they did.

[Timco]

Now, my friends, is the time to buy a good used 911, before all used ones are PDK era and newer...the real enthusiasts will know. Just try to find a used 328 GTB.

[wawa]

Gosh! my 981 is due june 27. Hope I wont have these sort of problem!

Cant wait to finaly take delivery

later
wawa

[BIGJake111]

As I said people are wrong about our cars being the beginning of a new Porsche, our cars are the last of the greats. But this makes me wonder, how is a tesla gonna be 15 years down the road. But if I was porsche, considering their profits I would drop this guy a 911 turbo, tell him to enjoy it and leave the problem done with, make a negative. Positive. Giving away a 911 turbo is cheap advertising!


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[Ckrikos]

Time will tell. I'm hoping my mezger engine porsche appreciates like the 993's.