Michelin Pilot Sport AS/3

[Paul]

No type of tire works well on wet ice, studs are required but are now outlawed in most states.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Paul

No type of tire works well on wet ice, studs are required but are now outlawed in most states.

agreed. But a winter tire is still miles ahead of an all season over ice. As much as full car length stopping distance in the test below, with controlled cornering. And one car length is all the difference in the world. Most winter driving accidents would be avoided with that much leeway.

see the 2:09 mark below.
Tire Rack Tire Test - Winter/Snow vs. All-Season vs. Summer Tires on Ice - YouTube

traditionally we only get half a dozen snow falls in this area, but icing we get all the time.

[Paul]

That test was not done on wet ice, the difference in all 3 tests would be much less based on my experience growing up in the mountains of PA.

[Joe B]

You people are all missing my point (except maybe Timco and Mark_T). Read my original post again. I never said that The Michelin AS/3s were as good as snow tires, or that everyone should use them. I simply pointed out that I've been pleasantly surprised with them, and they have suited my needs well. Everyone knows dedicated snow tires work better on ice and snow !

[Timco]

Originally Posted by Joe B

You people are all missing my point (except maybe Timco and Mark_T). Read my original post again. I never said that The Michelin AS/3s were as good as snow tires, or that everyone should use them. I simply pointed out that I've been pleasantly surprised with them, and they have suited my needs well. Everyone knows dedicated snow tires work better on ice and snow !

And it really depends on your definition of DD. I drive my Box all winter, but on snow days it's the truck. So frozen road, or wet road, I'm in the Box and it does far better with these than the Sumis but will never be the 4x4 nor do I expect it to be. I have no doubt a snow tire will indeed work better in powder, but snow over ice or straight slush really is what it is, and short of a bigger vehicle most tires will act the same. My opinion is these give you the best balance of year round performance without the extremes of performance tires or snow tires.

Plus, compared to my Sumis, these are like driving on soft clouds, super smooth and quiet and zero road noise. Very responsive.

[Joe B]

Originally Posted by Timco

And it really depends on your definition of DD. I drive my Box all winter, but on snow days it's the truck. So frozen road, or wet road, I'm in the Box and it does far better with these than the Sumis but will never be the 4x4 nor do I expect it to be. I have no doubt a snow tire will indeed work better in powder, but snow over ice or straight slush really is what it is, and short of a bigger vehicle most tires will act the same. My opinion is these give you the best balance of year round performance without the extremes of performance tires or snow tires.

Plus, compared to my Sumis, these are like driving on soft clouds, super smooth and quiet and zero road noise. Very responsive.

+1, yeah, what he said !