Will Porsche do themselves in?

[blinkwatt]

Does anyone think that Porsche will do themselves shortly with so many cars available? During most of the 90s Porsche only had 2 or 3 cars to choose from. Now there is the Boxster(and the S),911(there are currently eight models soon to be nine),Cayman S,Cayenne(Cayenne,Cayenne S,Turbo and Turbo S),Carrera GT, GT3 and GT2 and soon to be Panaroma(I think that how you spell it) and talk of a new 914. Do not get me wrong,I have liked and enjoyed every Porsche I have been in(including 944s). I think that Porsche is making their market too big for a entry level sports car at $45k(Boxster) and the entry level Cayenne at $42k. I do not think that the majority of the population has this much money to spend on a car,especially a entry level non optionally equipped car. Now from a manufacturing standpoint why do they have the Cayenne Turbo and the Turbo S? Is the 0-60 in 5.2 seconds not enough,the Turbo S hits it in 4.8! That can keep up with their legandary 911! Shouldn't Porsche just make the Turbo S and knock the Turbo out the window? Just wondering if Iam the only one feeling this way.

I think the consumer is "driving" this response from Porsche.

[BoxsterSbob]

It's so difficult to say. But we must recognize the fact that the Cayenne SUV has been a huge success. Introducing cheaper/entry level cars and hi-end sedans won’t be has harmful as long as they promote and support factory and independent racing teams. If they do that I think the brand promise can still be maintained. But all bets are off if they come out with a Corolla.


04S
bob

[TVC15]

Interesting question, Blinkwatt.

Mercedes comes immediately to mind as a cautionary tale. The brochure for the MBZ model year 1969 featured a grand total of six different vehicles. In the decades since, the number of models has increased dramatically, and by many accounts, the quality has *decreased* just as dramatically. Coincidence? I'm not sure. But during this expansion, and even before the merger with Chrysler, the quality and luster of this once revered nameplate has dimmed considerably.

My '69 280SL, with 160,000 miles is astonishingly solid, dependable and sure of the road--especially for a 30+ year old car. When it came time to buy another car last year, looked at the new MBZ's and went with the Porsche.

It's good that Porsche is broadening its product line, but hopefully, it will remember that quality and reputation take decades to achieve and can be undone very quickly if it loses focus of its core values and strengths.

[jamscal]

I don't know if they'll do themselves in or not, but despite your list of cars, there are only a few platforms involved.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 986 and 996 were designed concurrently...with at least everything in front of the doors being "the same."

I'm assuming the 987 and 997 have been similarly designed. The Cayman is a hardtop 987, No?

The GT3 and 2 are just upgrades, for all practical purposes.

The Cayenne platform is from VW. Toureag (sp?), and again, the engine and suspension changes are just options, no matter how the marketing people spin it.

I work for Ford, and they sell a bunch of F250s. I can make a similar case that they currently offer more versions of it than the number of Porsche models offered throughout it's entire history.

But then, they are doing themselves in.

-James
'01 Boxster S

[deliriousga]

Originally Posted by blinkwatt

Does anyone think that Porsche will do themselves shortly with so many cars available? During most of the 90s Porsche only had 2 or 3 cars to choose from. Now there is the Boxster(and the S),911(there are currently eight models soon to be nine),Cayman S,Cayenne(Cayenne,Cayenne S,Turbo and Turbo S),Carrera GT, GT3 and GT2 and soon to be Panaroma(I think that how you spell it) and talk of a new 914. Do not get me wrong,I have liked and enjoyed every Porsche I have been in(including 944s). I think that Porsche is making their market too big for a entry level sports car at $45k(Boxster) and the entry level Cayenne at $42k.

I don't think it's a problem as long as performance is the target and each line is reaching a different market and they don't step on the toes of the 911 buyers. The Boxster is "entry level". The Cayman is for people who want a two seater, hard top performance car. The 911 is the star of the family for the guy who wants a performance car and can afford the best. The GT series are for the true racers. The Cayenne is for people who need an SUV but don't want to sacrifice performance. The same will be of the Panamera with people wanting a four door sedan without sacrificing performance. (Btw, I believe the 914 thing is a rumor since the Boxster is basically the 914 with modern features.)

As for price, have you seen what American cars sell for now? Given the choice between a Chrysler Crossfire convertible at $35K-$40K and a Boxster it's no contest. As for SUVs, they all start in the $30-$40K range now so the superior Cayenne is pretty close, especially when you get into the large or specialty (Escalade, H2, etc.) SUVs. My daughter has wanted an Escalade since she saw them and I told her I didn't believe it was worth the money. Then she saw a Cayenne when we were in London and she said "that's a really cool SUV, what is it". I told her it was a Porsche and about the same price as the Escalade. From her experience in our Porsches she immediately changed her mind and said "that's what I want."

I believe with anybody, if they can get a car buyer to drive the Porsche that's physically comparable to whatever they are looking at, that's it. They will figure out how to come up with the extra few $$ to get into that car and have that feeling every day. I bet everyone here remembers the feeling of their first Porsche drive.

Porsche isn't a car.....it's an experience. Once you have a Porsche, you never want to be without one.

[natecooper]

Originally Posted by blinkwatt

Does anyone think that Porsche will do themselves shortly with so many cars available? During most of the 90s Porsche only had 2 or 3 cars to choose from.

From what I understand about Porsches history the early to mid 90's were one of the hardest times for Porsche financially. It has been since they brought on the Boxster that they really became solid and since they introduced the Cayenne that they have really gotten back on top of their game. Heck, they just purchased a good chunk of VW. So with the introduction of each new model they seem to be doing a bit better. Eventually, maybe they will have such a large line that they are viewed as more of a "BMW" or "Mercedes" kind of company. Is this bad? Who knows, only time will tell. And as long as I have my Boxster, I'm happy as a clam.

[Rail26]

As long as Porsche retains exclusivity, I will be happy. The reason I don't drive a Merc or a BMW is because every soccer mom, geriatric and young kid who was lucky enough to get a good job out of college has one. Also, because (this is where you say it with a Darth Vader voice) "THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE!"

[CA_Boxster]

The company's never been healthier (I read recently that they're the most profitable manufacturer in the world?) and they really only have 4 models: Boxster, Cayman, Carrera and Cayenne. All the other S, Turbo, etc. designations are effectively just options.


As for having a Turbo and a Turbo S in the same line, I suspect that "S" is a high margin letter for the people who really have the money.

[BoxsterSbob]

It’s certainly true that Porsche has the highest margins in the industry. It’s clear that Porsche management knows how to make a Euro! It’s also clear they are expanding into other segments. What’s not clear is why?

As they are now the largest or second largest share holder in VW, the other being the government of lower Saxony. They have access to one of the worlds largest distribution channels. As well as an extensive parts bin, Audi, Bentley, VW, Lambo, Bugatti, and a few others I'm sure. A future of hi-volume products seems likely.

We can only hope that Porsche management continues to produce products that justify the price point. If Bentley and Lambo are indicators I'm sure we'll all be pleased with the future .....we just might not be able to afford it.


04S
bob

[Perfectlap]

its easier to build 4 good cars than 9 good cars. But its also riskier to have a small product line. Sounds like the Porsche guys are changing their outlook and diversifying the risk.
Porsche has to be careful IMHO because the Porsche brand is exclusive. Even the Boxster at $50,000 is a very expensive car by what its main competitions can offer on paper. Introducing low cost cars or having sigificantly more cars on the road is going to cut into the 'exlcusivity' that appeals to so many new P-car buyers.