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Old 09-16-2013, 06:20 AM   #1
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:23 AM   #2
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Shooting down new members is pretty sad. How do they know that they should have to search for the info and why should they go that route if they don't know that exists already?
Ok, then what do you suppose they think the search button at the top of the page is for? A new link to Google perhaps?

I am all for helping out new folks, or anyone for that matter, with a valid question after doing a bit of looking about themselves, or at least checking to see if their question has been asked and answered before, and I have hundreds of posts on this forum doing exactly that. but I have no patience for these self-entitled semi-literate idiots that can't even be bothered to lift a finger to help themselves before posting their stupid question.
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:44 PM   #3
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Shooting down new members is pretty sad. How do they know that they should have to search for the info and why should they go that route if they don't know that exists already?
Thank you - someone understands where I'm coming from. All the guys that are swearing name calling etc seriously need to grow some
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:56 PM   #4
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Shooting down new members is pretty sad. How do they know that they should have to search for the info and why should they go that route if they don't know that exists already?
Usually when new members ask questions that aren't as common as the one the OP started here, there is no shooting down.

And anyone who has ever registered for a forum knows that forum searches are one of the main attractions of any good forum. You can search virtually any topic you can think of relating to the car and someone has started a thread on it.

Unless of course that forum newbie is like 17, this is his first car, the only phone he has ever owned is an iPhone and he doesn't know Steve McQueen from Steve Jobs.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:22 AM   #5
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My 2 cents...it more important to change oil frequently - every 5K or year whichever comes first - than to use the "perfect" oil and filter.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:10 AM   #6
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^ actually flaming of "RTFM!!" and 'do a search!" is pretty tame on this forum.
Other Porsche forums go nuts when they see this sort of thing. This is without a doubt one of the more civil forums Porsche and non-Porsche. Some of the non-Porsche forums have some very colorful posters with hair-trigger tempers.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:19 PM   #7
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How about stickies for "oil type" and "tire choices"?

There's already a sticky for local indies.

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Old 09-16-2013, 12:40 PM   #8
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:51 PM   #9
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So, just to change the direction slightly, maybe we should have a search button that's about the size of that advertising banner up there, with an arrow pointing to it that says "Click me, yes, this means you!"

And to put things back where I found them, I'm totally with Perfectlap on this, and I'll bet the guy STILL hasn't done a search.
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Coming in from left field here. I understand the argument for the use of the search feature. What I will never understand are the people that get annoyed at the fact that the same questions are posted. The argument becomes that it floods the search results. There is no such thing as too much information when it comes to cars. What ruins the search results is when people see an oil thread that is now pushing 3 pages thinking they just found the gold mine of information on their topic only to find that it's about people complaining about repeated posts. How difficult is it to just skip reading a thread that has been posted a million times? It actually takes less time to not read a thread then it does to use the search function. People posting the same questions over and over again on a forum will never end. Perfect lap, for someone who has been a member for 9 years, you of all people should know this will never change. So for someone complaining about ruined search results, you are part of then ruined result. If this thread had zero replies no-one would have clicked this thread when searching for oil questions. Now all people searching for an oil thread will click this thread only to be very disappointed.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:52 PM   #11
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Perfect lap, for someone who has been a member for 9 years, you of all people should know this will never change. So for someone complaining about ruined search results, you are part of then ruined result. If this thread had zero replies no-one would have clicked this thread when searching for oil questions. Now all people searching for an oil thread will click this thread only to be very disappointed.
Actually I agree with you. I too believe ignoring the lazy is the best course, but that becomes ineffective once people indulge/encourage this by spoon-feeding the lazy their answers. Every once in a while someone comes along who is not only lazy but rude as well, and that merits a response. If a were a new member, the negative reaction by active members would not be lost on me.

On the biggest Porsche forum they have a practice where if a member posts a topic without bothering to see if the topic is already under discussion, he gets the Enzo prize which means every member posts a joke or picture of an Enzo Ferrari. It's heavy handed but effective in keeping relevant discussion from being split into 18 different threads.
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Guess I’m gonna jump back into the fray here (briefly, I hope!).

For starters, my response to Redmond Boxster (ie the first response to the OP) was not in the least bit nasty---unlike most of what he’s written subsequently. I simply pointed out what I thought was a reasonable (and helpful) recommendation to someone looking for answers to a question that has been answered ad nauseum on this and other similar forums. In the face of that attempt to help out, it was the OP who escalated matters with his uncalled-for sarcasm. Following that, I simply stood my ground. Which is exactly what Perfectlap and others have done since. Had the OP followed my suggestion, two things would have occurred: One, he’d have quickly found answers out the wazoo to his original question AND, two, this thread would have died at three posts instead of three pages.

And while some look upon what happened here as “shooting down” a new member, I saw it as suggestions that the “new member”, for whatever reason, took entirely the wrong way and clearly decided to cop an an attitude about the whole thing. We’re a good resource here, and I think most of us here are willing to help someone out. Having attempted to help out, what we’re NOT willing to do is sit back and mutely accept responses that are patronizing and offensive, and which have no real basis or justification.


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But let's get real ... you know it, I know it, and most likely they know it too that their behavior is wrong but they are still going to do it. So if you want to stop the noob behavior there is only one way to do it. Just ignore their post and move on. Empty threads are a simple way to tell a user no one is interested or willing to respond to that particular question and maybe that will generate a user response to read a bit before their next post.
Yeah, I suppose that argument could be made. But if it’s truly a noob we’re dealing with, giving no response at all we may be interpreted as exhibiting a hostile unwillingness to help or (gasp ) ignorance. Why not, in an unflaming kind of way, at least point out the existence (and merit) of the Search function to the noob?


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All I was trying to do is get my question answered. Googles search engine offers too much information and i was wondering who can just drop me a few lines what the best options are. Why go out of your way on an online forum to try and cause and inconvenient stir? Pretty immature. Unlike the other guys who actually told me the awnser to my questions. Thank you so much guys! And I'm not new to the forum been a member for quite some time just never find the time to post on here and when I do it's only a few simple questions.
Answering your question is EXACTLY what I tried to do...the “answers” to your question are innumerable; they already exist in hundreds of posts already written. I never dreamed you’d misinterpret my suggestion to be a reference to doing a Google search. I simply took mild offense to the sarcastic attitude you so quickly assumed in your second post. That, my friend, along with other things you've said more accurately rise to the level of being (to use your words) “pretty immature”.

On top of that, you then proceed to admit that you’ve “been a member for quite some time.” If that’s true, I find it absolutely astounding that you’ve never heard (or have simply ignored) the expression “Do a Search”. And that you’ve, apparently, never noticed the “Search” button at the top of the page. How can that be??


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I never once insulted you, and please don't speak on behalf of other members like "that's not our style"
If you’d read as many posts as those who’ve been here quite a few years you’d recognize that, by and large, that’s true, that isn't our style. I say 'by and large' because, obviously, there are exceptions, occasional individuals who are insulting to members of long-standing. They tend to come and, just as quickly, disappear back into the woodwork. Perhaps you are an example of this?


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I say the newbies should be the one to respond to the repeat post.
THIS GETS MY VOTE!
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Saw this post previously and shaked my head. Saw it again today with multiple replies and thought......Yep bar room fight. Sorry couldn't resist while lmao.

OP starting a oil thread is the quickest way to uh, meet new people. Not my rule but it is what it is. Oil threads always leave me more confused after reading anyway. 5w 40 Castrol. Change every 5k miles or every year.

I say the newbies should be the one to respond to the repeat post.
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Wow.

To the OP: your first response to a clearly well established member was a bit negative. I think that we can all benefit from a little civility here. Yes, I get very tired of seeing the same questions posted over and over and over. However, I think no response would be better than a negative one.

That being said, I've never commented on one of the oil threads, so I'll do so here. My car has full service records and has always been filled with Mobil 1 10W-40, so that's what I use(Hengst filter from Pelican).

The problem with the oil threads is that everyone has an opinion, and all opinions seem to differ. Do the reading and go with your gut
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