OH NO!! Metal shavings in oil filter :(| - Page 2 - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

trimer · 08-23-2013, 10:23 AM

Did you stick all that up to a magnet and see if it sticks??? A lot of that looks like plastic?

Perfectlap · 08-23-2013, 10:25 AM

Yeah if there are a lot of fragments from the IMS, that means the bearing is about to fail at any momment. It is very rare/extremely lucky for someone to catch the failure at that exact time just from inspecting the oil and filter.

It sounds like your engine has other problems from possibly bad maintenance. Although that's not certain.

BYprodriver · 08-23-2013, 11:51 AM

Haz you need to cut the ends off the filter & open the paper out flat so you can see everything in the filter. Drag a magnet across it to see what sticks. It doesn't look to bad, most of what we see looks like silicone sealant. You should have the shop remove the oil sump pan to see what is there & clean the oil pickup tube screen.
Post pictures with a small object so we can reference the size of the particles.

ilikeching · 08-23-2013, 01:53 PM

Hi Haz,

Check this worshop nearby, Porsche | SS Performance

jesseborgelt · 08-23-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Does Norway have a guarantee time for used cars?

The build date on US cars is on the driver's door jam. Where the door closes.

Dual row cars are the most unlikely to have an IMS fail. Some 2000 cars had dual row. But Porsche's serial numbers are not reliable to determine this.

So, without taking the car apart to visually see, how is someone going to know if they have one or two rows?

schoir · 08-23-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jesseborgelt

So, without taking the car apart to visually see, how is someone going to know if they have one or two rows?

As long as you are certain that the engine is original to the car, all model year 1997 to 1999 Boxsters have a dual row bearing.

If you go further and remove the transmission, you can identify a dual row bearing by a narrow IMS flange.

Model years 2000 and 2001 are a tossup as to which IMS bearing is in there. You can only be certain there by at least removing the transmission. If you find a wider, more offset IMS flange, then there is a single row bearing installed.

Regards, Maurice.

Topless · 08-23-2013, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver

Haz you need to cut the ends off the filter & open the paper out flat so you can see everything in the filter. Drag a magnet across it to see what sticks. It doesn't look to bad, most of what we see looks like silicone sealant. You should have the shop remove the oil sump pan to see what is there & clean the oil pickup tube screen.
Post pictures with a small object so we can reference the size of the particles.

^^ This is the next step before panic sets in. So far I am seeing dirty filter with metallic flakes but not dead motor.

seningen · 08-23-2013, 10:56 PM

Is it metal? Is it ferrous? Maybe part of it is plastic?

I'd guess chain, chain guides, or paddles wear based on the picture.

Note your IMS rests in a plastic cradle as well as a shoulder/hip type socket
on the far end -- so if its going but somehow hasn't completely failed it
can wear against these surfaces -- but I can't imagine it would be long for life
under those conditions.

There are several points where chains ride against plastic paddles
and there is metal behind some of the paddles.

I'd try to figure out what it is -- but either way that level of debris does not bode well.

Mike

madmods · 08-24-2013, 12:33 AM

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RawleyD · 08-24-2013, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by madmods

I don't use my OLD pair of shoes because I'm just so god damn scared the glue will let go one day and I'll have to buy another pair

Logic; if you can afford a Porsche at first place, that mean you can afford another one anytime if this one let go. No?

Don't know of anyone who f**&^^ing care about IMS this and that (in China anyway). I personally find that global IMS scare hilarious in all honesty (sorry)

You're logic is terrible. I sold off half of my Pinball collection to get this car, and no way in hell will I be able to afford another When/If this car's engine goes.
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

As far as the IMS scare.. After driving this car for a while, That's the last thing on my mind.
I'm a gambler by nature.. I can only do what I can do.. so I studied up, paid up, rolled the dice.. And now I'm living the dream with no regrets.

*fingers crossed*

madmods · 08-24-2013, 01:13 AM

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haz · 08-24-2013, 02:36 AM

Calm your tits down, I´m cutting the oilfilter as we speak, I´ll report back soon

haz · 08-24-2013, 03:04 AM

I just cut the filter in its ends to be able to release it and stretch it out.. not a lot of new info, only that there is a lot of metal shavings as the mechanic said.. I´m going out right now to pick up a magnet. Will respond all of your responses asap, I really appreciate any help here

madmods · 08-24-2013, 03:12 AM

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coreseller · 08-24-2013, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by madmods

Those are aluminum chips, the material that 75% of your engine is made of. Not stainless steel as this material tends to chunk and when it does it does big. Never seen SS shavings before. Nothing to do with IMS I'd say.

Just park it and get the heads checked. Have a feeling you rev'ed the motor much higher than what the previous owner was rev'ing it normally and something just snapped. Nothing major bud so don't worry.... just pure and simple mechanic and that can be fixed.

Don't get your love for your new car swallowed in the 986forum.com IMS Scares

Wow...........

Vista glass · 08-24-2013, 04:15 AM

Sorry to hear of your circumstances. I am following along. If local regulations permit you to return this unit to the dealer/seller, cut it loose, and get another regardless of the severity of this problem.

haz · 08-24-2013, 04:31 AM

Here are my replies to you guys.. I will send the particles to a Porsche specialist for an analsys on monday..Looks like I have to save up some serious $$$$

Looks like it sticks to a magnet, so it´s not aluminium..

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Originally Posted by ilikeching

Hi Haz,

Check this worshop nearby, Porsche | SS Performance

They quoted me 20.000 NOK / $3300 for a IMS replacement... NOT inc the part itself.. I got that quote a few weeks ago as I was curious on that cost if it were to ever happen to me....

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver

Haz you need to cut the ends off the filter & open the paper out flat so you can see everything in the filter. Drag a magnet across it to see what sticks. It doesn't look to bad, most of what we see looks like silicone sealant. You should have the shop remove the oil sump pan to see what is there & clean the oil pickup tube screen.
Post pictures with a small object so we can reference the size of the particles.

I did that, see pics below. I already picked the car up, and the mechanic said there were metal particles in the pan as well...

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

It sounds like your engine has other problems from possibly bad maintenance. Although that's not certain.

It has a proper servicehistory. Same mechanic for 7 years.

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Originally Posted by trimer

Did you stick all that up to a magnet and see if it sticks??? A lot of that looks like plastic?

Went out to pick up some magnets now.. and yes it sticks

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Originally Posted by runjmc2

If you have ANY chance of getting your money back do it! I have a dual row and was felling pretty good (based on the law suit reported failure rates), until I recently had the opportunity to hold a failed duel row in my hand....from a low mileage car. That metal does not look like IMS to me....but listen to Jake and the experts.

Why does this not look like IMS to you?

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Does Norway have a guarantee time for used cars?

The build date on US cars is on the driver's door jam. Where the door closes.

Dual row cars are the most unlikely to have an IMS fail. Some 2000 cars had dual row. But Porsche's serial numbers are not reliable to determine this.

I don´t think so. I bought the car july 4.th from a private seller.

Here is a pic from my door. Is this the engine number? e1398/140020

kjc2050 · 08-24-2013, 05:05 AM

This should help: http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/44248-understanding-vin-codes-engine-numbers.html

Also, see the chart in this article: http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing.htm

I have a 2000S and it has the dual row bearing. The engine number is stamped on the bottom of the block near the sump plate. Good luck!

trimer · 08-24-2013, 05:18 AM

Man I am hoping for the best for you? Remember, just fixing IMS may not be the best option. If there is that much material in your filter, most of that was running through your engine and might have scored the other internal parts. Good luck on this...

Flavor 987S · 08-24-2013, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by haz

10.100 miles / 16.300 km (and 27 months) since last oilchange.

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

It sounds like your engine has other problems from possibly bad maintenance. Although that's not certain.

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Originally Posted by haz

It has a proper servicehistory. Same mechanic for 7 years.

Haz, sorry this has happened to your Boxster, but 1 oil change in 27 months is NOT proper maintenance. When you get this sorted out, and you will, stick around here and learn about a better oil change interval (yearly, or every 5-7,000 miles, whichever comes first).

Take care.