@Perfectlap,

I agree with your logic on the floating bits….and I can sympathize with @Haz, that is my problem too. I caught it early but cannot trust the bits will not come back to bite! However, the UK engines from that link (cannot find now) were in POUNDS not dollars.

$5k for a 3.2L rebuilt and warranted engine would make my day!

An engine that has been neglected/oil starved will probably have other issues given all the way these engines can fail.

I know that other members weren't quoting pounds, maybe my recollection is hazy but I recall doing the x1.5 math in my head and the prices still seemed much cheaper than what I've heard quoted on these forums. I think the jist of one post was that used Boxsters in general were inexpensive relative to what we pay here.

A used one for €4000 Independent Porsche Specialist Van Zweeden | Porsche spare parts | Porsche service and repair | New and Used Porsche parts | Porsche onderdelen
A rebuild one for €9250 http://v-zweeden.com/product_info.php?cPath=298_32_677_2959&products_id =784

THat's not going to happen. That's half what I paid for the car.

I've just looked at a few UK websites and garages like Autofarm do an IMS bearing replacement for £1300.

How does that help my situation? Or was it just an FYI?

£1300 vs $4100. I wondered if it might make sense to transport the car to the UK? I have no idea what the cost of transport might be.

Good luck with this. Many of us live in dread of this happening to us.

Costs would be the same all in all..

Thanks, I would recommend everyone to do the IMS upgrade even though there are no signs of it failing, such as metal particles in the oil. I was luck, mine is dying slowly, others might not be so lucky and it might happen in a snap.

Sorry, what?! Surely shops in the US don't charge $4,000 just to change the IMS bearing.

I can assure you Autofarm is one of the more expensive specialists to have work done in the UK. You can have the LN bearing fitted for about £1,100 - less if you buy the Pelican bearing. I'm sure a plain bearing change can be done for similar money in the US.

If you keep this you are going to have a nervous breakdown. Until you know what's going on keep calm. The difficult part is a good diagnosis and Noruewan are intelligent honest people so is very possible Porsche Oslo share this qualities. It's not your fault, the filter residue is not typical. Wait for the diagnosis and fix it. ;)

Thanks. Please read my last update. I have the diagnostics. Btw, atm, I'm surrounded by beautiful people at a nice roof party, getting my tits off. Drinking the pain away.

Please stay away from the edge of that roof, my friend, and enjoy!

We all share your pain.

TO

I have been following your thread from the start and hope you are having a great party to drink it over. I hope getting my tits off is just one expression

I was in your situation 1 year ago with another car (bmw) and imported the engine from UK. It was very easy the truth is UK are the cheapest for used and rebuilt engines in all Europe. And you live right next so the transport should be reasonable.

Some news: the previous owner says he will consider covering some of the costs of the IMS replacement. He will let me know very soon, hopefully.

The car is still in the shop and they will most likely start sometime this week. I just need to sort of how to finance the job.

And yes, I managed to resist the urge to end it all by running off and jumping into certain death on friday... Here is the always flattering before-image..

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/139/qd32.jpg

Some more news: SS Performance [ About us | SS Performance ] will proceed with the IMS upgrade today.

THEY WILL PROVIDE PICTURES THAT WILL DOCUMENT THE WHOLE JOB. Looking forward to seeing the state of the bearing. I mean, how many times haven't we seen new members of the exlusive IMS-club being unwillingly recuited, and how many pictures have we seen compared? I can count on zero hands, that's how many..

SO, hopefully this will be helpfull to others also.. Looking forward to picking up my beloved Box in just two days :cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

Let's hope this is the first and last time I see my Box like this... *knocks on wood*

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4295/jv5o.jpg

Good luck! Hope all goes well:cheers:

Cheers :cheers:

[QUOTE=haz;360815]Some news: the previous owner says he will consider covering some of the costs of the IMS replacement. He will let me know very soon, hopefully.

This is highly unusual behavior for a previous owner. If he gives you something towards the ims replacement it is a bonus. Usually a sale is as is and buyer beware. I am happy for you that you are making the best of a bad situation...

[QUOTE=recycledsixtie;361099] Highly unusual for where? All over the world? I heard many similar stories and also PC Oslo recommended me to ask the PO about this.. also, there is a "private sales law", but taking this to court (which would be madness considering the $$$ we are talking about) it almost always ends up being a 50/50 split of the bill.

Anyways.. thank you :)

I appreciate all the support! It´s a shame that Madmods "rage quit" the forums and deleted all of his posts.. I like having a class clown around :)

Used cars are generally sold "as is" , the seller has no reasonable obligation to compensate the new owner. I can't see the buyer winning any payment in court in the US . On second thought, some idiot did get paid well for spilling hot coffee on themselves...........

Sold as is does not protect you from the law.

Just show your tits to the lawyers? you would be surprised to see what money can buy these days

Sincerely I never got screwed like this before in my life but I can feel your pain. It must be hard to accept. You are very strong man for posting your story online.

respect

Hey thanks! Really appreciate the kind words :)

I guess I´m just an open and relaxed kind of person and yes I do realize laying down the cards I was dealt like this can possibly cause some strong opinions in return. As long as they are well argued, I think I can only learn from it :)

Looking forward to updating this thread with documentation from the IMS replacement + pictures to go with it. Very much looking forward to seeing the state of the bearing!!

"Can't protect you from the law"? There is no law that was broken, except maybe if he knowingly sold you a failing engine. You got screwed by Porsche, not the previous owner.

Sorry, I may be venting my frustrations on you. I'm so tired of this attitude in the US: everyone thinks their owed something, and I'm going to sue at every opportunity, because it's free money right?

Good luck Haz! Really interested in seeing the pics of the bearing/etc, thanks for sharing

Thanks :cheers:

Feel free to ask any questions guys.

Did I say he broke the law? No. I said, in my post #138, that if I took this to court... (...) I am protected by the "private sales law", which basically says that if I discover a significant flaw (this is one, as the cost to fix the flaw exceeds 10% of the sale price) I have to inform the seller within two months after the sale was done - if I want to revert the sale. If I wanted to do that, and he said no, then I stand stronger in a court case. But like I said, I am not planning on doing that, but merely using that law as an argument towards the seller that he is not exempt from the law just because it was a private sale.

Breaking news! Previous owner and seller takes 40% of the bill from the IMS replacement. Man of the year 2013!!! :cheers::cheers:

I am happy Haz that the law in your country works in your favor. The seller sounds like a very decent type of person.

I already announced him as person of the year 2013 :D

I believe in karma, as does he I think.

So they are almost finished (supposed to be done yesterday..) and will be picking it up on monday :D

Some pics I got sent to my email just now:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6300/fgbt.jpg

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8587/u2pt.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9341/k9lh.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1424/lfq7.jpg

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/250/879j.jpg

As you can see, there is alot of metal particles, as expected. The mechanic told me that the IMS most likely would fail if I had driven about 10 more km....

Bravo! You just gave me the energy to go for a 9 km drive

L:DL You can do it

Did you get to see the IMS bearing....and does it look like those pieces of metal came from the bearing?

I have the impression that some people dont read my posts, at all. I havent picked up the car yet. Pics was sent via email. Will post pics of the bearing when I pick up the car.

Haz, based on the size of the metal in the pan, I believe you do want to revert the sale. You just don't know that yet! :eek:

No offence, haz, many guys don't read details. they read the issue then the cause and then the solution. easy. Details are important for you but meaningless to some. Don't take it badly

Most guy I know with a same issue would have not done half of what you did

Engine problem < metals everywhere inside = change engine == back on the road next week. Max cost +/- $5-6k. Then celebrate with friends on the roof.

You prefer to give your money to repair man, when someone you now call a clown told you not to do. And then you entertain the forum member. Other than my wife when she goes shopping I don't know anybody like you so don't expect all of us to read the details after page 3. Patience my frined, where are your people skill you mention in a nother post??

Just tired of repeating myself thats all. I have great people skills, dont worry :)

Runjmc2 still makes a good point, these initial photos should include the IMS bearing. That's the thing I would be most interested in seeing first.

Also, is this the same shop that did the car's inspection?

IMS PICS TO COME :) Have to pick the car up on monday before I Get my hands on the bearing. PPI was done 850 km away from my town.

Haz:

You probably have thought already about what I am going to say for the sake of other readers.

When the IMS bearing begins to fail, steel pieces get disbursed throughout the lubrication channels by the flow of oil. As these pieces travel though the engine, they can score parts that they come in contact with or lodge in various lubrication channels. Some, but not necessarily all, will end up in the filter and some in the oil pan. Once this happens, the worry becomes: 1) have the pieces damaged internal engine parts already and 2) will clogged lubrication channels lead internal damage in the future. It's hard to know.

At this point, the owner has several choices. One, he can clean out the pan and put a new filter in an hope the engine will last many more miles. Two, he can buy a new or refurbished engine and hope that it will last. Three, he can tear down his own engine, look for damage, clean it throughly, replace damaged parts and reassemble it.

If it were me and I chose option one, I would want the shop to tell me what it can to do assure me that there isn't additional internal damage beyond the IMS bearing itself and what steps they will take to flush out the lubrication system.

HUH, that suprices me that Autocentrum PorscheCenterOslo qouted thats normal with metal lots of debris in your oilfilter...... and then just told you to drive it normal....

I'm just happy you went to SSP..