Why I will never buy a new Porsche
 

because there are always people like this guy....

His 997 has been driven a whopping 81 miles in six years --even with Champion forged wheels, PSS9s, B&B exhaust (well over $10K in mods) the owner is taking a 40% depreciation hit. Water-cooled Porsches are simply money pits. I wonder what 81 miles on a 964 Turbo would be worth after six years...


Concours Carrera for sale (owner wants like $59K - Bluebook tops out at $43K)
Porsche : 911 Carrera (81 Miles) in Porsche | eBay Motors

wow-a beautiful car that never gets driven what a waste, im sure the owner will be surprised when he gets no bites at that price probably

The owner is only discounting $13K off the $72K new retail price.

Kinda hard to blame him being that its got less miles in six years than I put on this weekend...

Although mechanically, I don't think anyone is going to be so generous giving him the benefit of the doubt. M96 engine cars that sit are not cars you want.

p.s.
The owner also has a 97 Boxster..... with less than 9K miles.

He's probably selling it because the fuel and fluids have turned to jelly after 6 years... :D OMG he hasnt even used 50% of the fuel in the first half of the tank!!! Scary how someone can only drive 81 miles in 6 years and leave a car like that sitting for so long... they are meant to be driven....

So they probably don't know if the fuel door works?

That is insane. I worry about putting miles on my Boxster, but then my buddy's words always hit me..."If you enjoy driving it, drive it." I've put about 8k in 17 months (mostly due to last year's winter in Chicago...there wasn't one) and I don't regret a single mile.

^ No the owner is obviously an enthusiast given the performance mods. He changes the fluids.
Apparently he drives the 997 into a transporter and takes the car to Porsche events like councours competitions. Comes home, drives it off the transporter and back into the garage.
Repeat for six years...

Man, that is actually just retarded. If you are going to treat a car as a piece of art it should at least be a pretty special piece of art. An arctic silver 997?

Words cannot express my disdain for this man.

Kind of weird. If you are rich enough to let a show car sit, why not get something more special than a 997? At least a GT3!

I'd rather drive it, but I do understand the impeccable upkeep and show car condition - that can be fun too, but only if you have other fun cars to drive.

I'd take this & hang onto the extra $23k
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LMAO - "He changes the fluids"...
He hasnt even empty'd a 1/2 tank of fuel... perhaps all the other fluids were changed yearly or in between shows :D
You never know why people buy or sell stuff they've hardly used... there's probably more to the story - BUT either way whoever buys it is going to get a pretty nice car. That car looks cleaner from the underside than mine is topside...

Don't see the value in spending that kind of coin to win some blue ribbons and a smattering of acrylic trophies. They must have more prestige than seen in the photos. And agree if you're going to do this, he should have chosen a more worthy version.

After completing the paperwork, the new owner should hop into it and rip off a nice patch when leaving. :eek: The old owner would just crap himself.

Yeah that's what I was thinking with going with a 964 or 993 Turbo. The rise in value would have payed for the cost of showing the car.

But if he was going to go the money losing route with a water-cooled Porsche, I kinda of think he parked the right Carrera. A standard 997 that's probably slower around the track than a Boxster Spyder wasn't a huge loss to the community as far as utility. Had he let a GT3 or GT2 go to waste well for me that would have been sad. But then again so many people put those into the wall on their own...

It's just wrong on so many levels. A 997 will never be a collector car, there were just too many of them made. He has squandered a great driving car for nothing. If he's lucky, he will take a $20k hit from the purchase price,for what? To drool over his car in the garage and at a couple of shows?

Wow you guys are being rough! This wasn't about retaining value it was about the fun he had showing a 6 year old car that stood still in time and gave him pleasure detailing it for the next show. Who knows what other cars he had along the way and did enjoy driving. It's possible $72k to him is like $720.00 to some of us. I have a close friend who has restored over 30 cars and keeps them all, I asked him if he'll auction any of them to supplement his income when he retires...nope he'll have enough already for his life style and wants to enjoy all 30+ cars until the end.

I was at a Porsche event in NC where a guy had a 944 with 600 miles, it was kewl to see what they looked like as if in show room.

If someone gets a good price on that 997 they will get a beauty. I'm sure the oil and gas were removed regularly.

OMG, this guy lives near me. I do recognize one of the photos of him and must have seen him at PCA events, but it probably wasn't at an autocross or DE event!

If it was me, I would just start driving and enjoying this beautiful car on the weekends.

81 miles?

As I said before, its like being married to a supermodel and never... well, you get the idea.

The dude has a long driveway and needed something to go pick up the mail and newspaper in. It was a 60 foot round trip ride every single day for six years and he cherished every mile.

It's funny how he has all of those handling modifications too!

Personally, I could not let it sit and not drive it. It's such a great car to drive. Now, if I also had another Porsche of similar or greater performance - then I could see doing this, but otherwise, not sure.

Maybe someone knows more background on this story, before we all go crazy with these theories and scenarios, ha.

But still, a very neat story and definitely kind of cool it has such low mileage and good condition - I just feel the better value of these cars is in the driving. (And everyone, well, 99% of people, would agree.)

well, there were lots of p-51 mustangs and tiger tanks rolling around in the forties; so many of them that, depending on what side you were on, you never wanted so see another again in your life.

try buying one now.

so, if you want to go with the long odds, its as good an investment as any other.

but long odds is long odds and it aint gonna pay back in our lifetimes, so if he's not willing so sit on it for 50 years then he's just a fool with too much money, and i say eat the rich.

That's exactly what I told a friend of mine when he wouldn't drive his New Beetle convertible. He kept it in his driveway under a tarp while he drove an old VW cabriolet with a top held together by about 6 rolls of duct tape. The cabriolet was actually a fun car, but why buy the New Beetle if you were just going to let it sit?

I don't abuse my Boxster, but I enjoy driving it while it depreciates.

Reminds me of the old (but true) saying - not putting miles into your Porsche is like not having sex with your girlfriend - just so that she's a virgin for her next boyfriend.....
Ahh well, only in America !!!

..... Ducks for cover...

Mid $90,000.....all day long.

Oh my god! The guy who sells this car is just the perfect cliche of all the Porsche owners I can't stand. I run into them from time to time and then see that I get away from them as soon as possible. I much more enjoy the company of owners I meet at DE and A/X.

It's not just Porsche owners. Watch Mecum Auto Auctions. There are all makes and models with less than 100-200 miles up for auction, many still with the window sticker on them. I don't get it!

Good grief! Am flabbergasted he never took the car out even for a Sunday drive!

I think it's stupid not to drive it. It's not a 1930's Bugatti, for cryin' out loud.

I have to say though, I am seriously in love with those wheels. . .:dance:

And if anyone cares here is a link to a discussion with the owner of the car:
X-Post, 81 Miles, Multiple Award Winning 2006 Carrera - Rennlist Discussion Forums

Here's the owner's Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/roadatlanta951 and a profile: Staff Spotlight: Meet Steve Blalock | Audi North Atlanta

Seems like a bizarre waste of money just to win some ribbons and plaques.

I don't get it either, I'm not the car show type. But, some people love it. It could be worse, at least he didn't use it as a demolition derby car!

The guy has the money. He likes the looks of the car with a lower suspension and big red brakes. He drives a 944 (on the track), which IMO is a better driver's car than any of the modern cars anyway.

I don't see why anyone doesn't get it or actually cares, frankly,

While I feel that owners can do whatever they want with their cars and more power to them, but here is the part that I don't get;

Is it really of any special interest when the winner is simply the car that is the "most" brand new?

^^^I agree Stone. If you drive it and it looks like that, then that is impressive. If it has never been driven, well anybody can keep that up. I don't get it either.

Well, that's not really how a Concours works. Even a brand new car, from the factory, would not score well in a Concours (PCA rules).

And, in a Concours, cars are awarded points for things like "driven to the event" and total mileage. A car trailered to an event has points deducted.

+1 and right on! Diversity friends Diversity. Most folks on this forum are drivers, concour'ing is a whole other passion and skill set. Though there weren't many ugly words used toward this gentlemen I'm frankly very surprised by the reactions.

Guys tear their cars down and spend hundreds of hours making them track machines, we all shine our cars up and post them on Show and Tell. This guy enjoys the competition of concours and to boot he is a bad asss driver! Oh and he can wrench!

I understand where this gentlemen is coming from, I can walk up to cars and see things others would never notice (thanks Mom). I thought about concours'ing my 987 but there aren't enough competitions in the Carolina area.

I bought my 986 for several reasons: the enjoyment of driving a porsche, wrenching it, wrenching when it didn't even need to be wrenched, detailing it to the point it looks stunning, and taking it to gatherings and meeting other kewl folks.

I just thought the Boxster crowd would be more understanding. Rant over.

Oh...I want his car for my daily driver!

Please explain how a PCA Concours works, I'm curious.

Can remember if this has all the rules, but you will see it is a lot of work: http://zone8.pca.org/Articles/concours101.pdf

I started reading the document.
Gave up when he started talking about cleaning the seats with a Q-tip :eek:

OMG . . . there's 68 pages!! :barf:

Hey P. Chick:

Here's some good info, as it relates to our Chicago PCA Section. I'm pretty sure your section will be similiar:

Concours

If your section offers a "Concours School" I highly recommend going. Ours is in about 3 weeks. Even if you don't want to compete in concours, you'll still learn a lot of great tips & info (and meet great people) to maintain your new whip.

Here's some more good info: