01-03-2007, 07:22 PM
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Porsche Stability Management
Quick question. I noticed that one of the lights in my dash said "PSM OFF". Does this mean that my car has this option or does all boxsters have this light on their dashes? If this is an option that I have, how do you turn it off? TIA!
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01-03-2007, 07:30 PM
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Not all 986's have PSM.
ALL 987's do have PSM.
Are you saying that the "PSM OFF" is lite on your dash or can you see a potential spot for this in your cluster?
If you have PSM, you should have an on/off button in your center console area.
Porsche does not put in a different dash for a non PSM car vs a car with PSM.
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01-03-2007, 07:34 PM
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so wait, ure saying that the light is on saying its off and you still wanna turn it off, or am i getting this wrong?
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01-03-2007, 07:45 PM
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Actually, the light is off. It's just that i noticed that there is a spot in the dash for this. So if you're saying that all boxsters, PSM and Non-PSM's, have the same dash, then I guess I don't have PSM. Also, I don't have the button on the center console to turn it on and off. Thanks guys!
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01-03-2007, 07:59 PM
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well you should have a on/off button if you have it, but the light is there for ones equiped with it
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01-03-2007, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by djomlas
well you should have a on/off button if you have it, but the light is there for ones equiped with it
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I thought bmusatti said that psm equipped and non-equipped boxsters had the same dash cluster? So what is it really because I have that light on my cluster but i don't have the on/off button?
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01-03-2007, 09:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jmabasa
Quick question. I noticed that one of the lights in my dash said "PSM OFF". Does this mean that my car has this option or does all boxsters have this light on their dashes? If this is an option that I have, how do you turn it off? TIA!
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Hi,
The Instrument Cluster includes the PSM OFF idiot light on all cars, whether they have PSM or not (without PSM the light does nothing). The Central Dash Tip Switch (PSM defeat) is part of the PSM system. If you don't have this defeat switch, you don't have PSM...
Happy Motoring!... Jim'99
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01-05-2007, 06:25 AM
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A rather ragged passenger recently asked me (after a bit of driving on some nice twisty roads) "What does PSM stand for?"
"Please Save Me." I told him "But it's only for the driver!"
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01-05-2007, 07:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Bob
A rather ragged passenger recently asked me (after a bit of driving on some nice twisty roads) "What does PSM stand for?"
"Please Save Me." I told him "But it's only for the driver!"
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Hi,
Good One!  Actually, it amazes me how little driving skill is required these days in a so-called Driver's Car.
These techno-gadgets make an average driver better, but usually impede a truly skilled driver.
The ABS, Variable Steering, Traction Control, PSM and the like are controlled by the computer, not the driver. As such, the programmed parameters which dictate when these aids kick-in (or don't) are not programmed for the likes of Fernando Alonzo, but for Joe Schmoe down the street. Some of these aids have defeat switches as a compromise for skilled drivers, but it's still a compromize.
Good for the average guy because it helps keep the car from biting him, allowing him to enjoy a car whose potential is waay above his skill set. Good for the manufacturers because it increases the breadth of their target market, allows them to justify price increases, and reduces their liability and litigation expense.
The downside is that Driver Skill is less rewarding than before, and at a considerable weight penalty. And, with all these aids, it's more difficult for the average guy to develop true driving skill, you learn to dominate the sytems, not the road.
This is one reason why I like my Lotus Esprit so much. It's only Driver aids are synchromesh gearbox and vac boosted brakes - no Traction Control, no Power Assisted Steering, no ABS, no LSD. It's a real workout to take it in the twistys, and you're much more totally immersed in the experience. It can bite you if your careless or not up to the task, but is also much more rewarding in the end.
I'm not so much dissing the modern technology as embracing the the skills required to do without all the wizardry and even outperform those cars which possess it. I think the ideal is to own a modern sports car and also an old analog one - the best of both worlds...
Happy Motoring!... Jim'99
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01-05-2007, 07:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MNBoxster
Hi,
Good One!  Actually, it amazes me how little driving skill is required these days in a so-called Driver's Car.
These techno-gadgets make an average driver better, but usually impede a truly skilled driver.
The ABS, Variable Steering, Traction Control, PSM and the like are controlled by the computer, not the driver. As such, the programmed parameters which dictate when these aids kick-in (or don't) are not programmed for the likes of Fernando Alonzo, but for Joe Schmoe down the street. Some of these aids have defeat switches as a compromise for skilled drivers, but it's still a compromize.
Good for the average guy because it helps keep the car from biting him, allowing him to enjoy a car whose potential is waay above his skill set. Good for the manufacturers because it increases the breadth of their target market, allows them to justify price increases, and reduces their liability and litigation expense.
The downside is that Driver Skill is less rewarding than before, and at a considerable weight penalty. And, with all these aids, it's more difficult for the average guy to develop true driving skill, you learn to dominate the sytems, not the road.
This is one reason why I like my Lotus Esprit so much. It's only Driver aids are synchromesh gearbox and vac boosted brakes - no Traction Control, no Power Assisted Steering, no ABS, no LSD. It's a real workout to take it in the twistys, and you're much more totally immersed in the experience. It can bite you if your careless or not up to the task, but is also much more rewarding in the end.
I'm not so much dissing the modern technology as embracing the the skills required to do without all the wizardry and even outperform those cars which possess it. I think the ideal is to own a modern sports car and also an old analog one - the best of both worlds...
Happy Motoring!... Jim'99
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This is one of the reason a new 987 buyer should seriously consider the Sport Chrono option (option #639 $920) because this allows a bit more driver input into the car, prior to PSM taking over.
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01-05-2007, 07:45 AM
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I have psm and I think its great. I can turn it off when I want to go without it(like at the track) and I don't believe it adds any weight to the car as the computer is allready there. My wife drives the car sometimes too and isn't used to that kind of power so I made sure to get psm for that reason alone. As far as I can tell it hasn't taken away any of my driving skills. I do wish that there was a switch to disable the abs for the track, but I'm glad to have abs on the car in general. I don't think all of this technology weighs even a fraction of what the air conditioning or the stereo does. I still get a thrill from driving my car every chance I get. I'm glad that the average joe can get a thrill too!
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01-05-2007, 11:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bmussatti
This is one of the reason a new 987 buyer should seriously consider the Sport Chrono option (option #639 $920) because this allows a bit more driver input into the car, prior to PSM taking over.
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Mine has that and when I can ever get the sun, moon & stars to align....I'll get to a track day with NWPCA!!
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11-29-2012, 01:20 AM
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There's some good discussion here. Just wanted to bump it for others to read.
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