has Porsche let us down?

[duongtrungbinh123]

UP on top m?i ngu?i cùng xem!!!

[husker boxster]

I've been wanting to chime in for a while but haven't for fear of bad kwan, but here goes...

First, we're 3 pages deep into this thread and we haven't heard back from the OP. Maybe he's busy planning his course of action and doesn't have time to give us an update but it's interesting to me. Based on his description (multiple P-Car owner) and his # of posts, he doesn't appear to be someone who came in with an incendiary bomb and sits back and watches the fun. Would be interesting to get an update on what direction he's going.

Second, with all the info available on IMS failures there shouldn't be a Boxster or 911 owner on this planet who isn't aware of it. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you but you can't deny any knowledge of it. And now with preventative measures available, how can you blame Porsche if you ignore it and then it happens to you? We can debate whether Porsche should build a bullet proof car capable of 250K mi of trouble free driving and we can debate the number of IMS failures vs the total number of cars produced. That's not my point. We know there is an issue and we have options. If we choose to ignore those options, aren't we cuplable? When someone pens a thread about their IMS shooting craps and Porsche should be held accountable, I'd like to know why they chose to not do anything prior to the occurrence.

Having said all that, I'm probably going to be hit hard by the IMS Gods. That wouldn't be good with my stable about to expand to 3 for a period of time. However, I've evaluated my situation. My cars have M97 engines with the improved IMSB. In a previous IMS thread, I asked Jake what the approx cost is to change out the IMSB in an M97. He said $4200 IIRC. So I can spend $4200 or $10000 if my improved version doesn't live. I've been watching threads carefully (esp on Planet-9 since that's more 987 centric) and there are very few M97 failures. Not zero, but few. The M96 is much more prone. So I'm going to roll the dice. If mine fail, I don't want any sympathy because I've chosen to go this route and I won't want to start a class action suit against Porsche. I've chosen a path and I'll live with my decision. Two of my three cars currently have CPO into next yr, so my decision might be different next yr.

[Flavor 987S]

Originally Posted by husker boxster

I've been wanting to chime in for a while but haven't for fear of bad kwan, but here goes...

First, we're 3 pages deep into this thread and we haven't heard back from the OP. Maybe he's busy planning his course of action and doesn't have time to give us an update but it's interesting to me. Based on his description (multiple P-Car owner) and his # of posts, he doesn't appear to be someone who came in with an incendiary bomb and sits back and watches the fun. Would be interesting to get an update on what direction he's going.

Second, with all the info available on IMS failures there shouldn't be a Boxster or 911 owner on this planet who isn't aware of it. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you but you can't deny any knowledge of it. And now with preventative measures available, how can you blame Porsche if you ignore it and then it happens to you? We can debate whether Porsche should build a bullet proof car capable of 250K mi of trouble free driving and we can debate the number of IMS failures vs the total number of cars produced. That's not my point. We know there is an issue and we have options. If we choose to ignore those options, aren't we cuplable? When someone pens a thread about their IMS shooting craps and Porsche should be held accountable, I'd like to know why they chose to not do anything prior to the occurrence.

Having said all that, I'm probably going to be hit hard by the IMS Gods. That wouldn't be good with my stable about to expand to 3 for a period of time. However, I've evaluated my situation. My cars have M97 engines with the improved IMSB. In a previous IMS thread, I asked Jake what the approx cost is to change out the IMSB in an M97. He said $4200 IIRC. So I can spend $4200 or $10000 if my improved version doesn't live. I've been watching threads carefully (esp on Planet-9 since that's more 987 centric) and there are very few M97 failures. Not zero, but few. The M96 is much more prone. So I'm going to roll the dice. If mine fail, I don't want any sympathy because I've chosen to go this route and I won't want to start a class action suit against Porsche. I've chosen a path and I'll live with my decision. Two of my three cars currently have CPO into next yr, so my decision might be different next yr.

Good post. Well stated, Husker.

What the hell happened to the Corn Huskers last night? Talk about a "can of whoop ass".

[husker boxster]

Originally Posted by Flavor 987S

Good post. Well stated, Husker.

What the hell happened to the Corn Huskers last night? Talk about a "can of whoop ass".

Thanks. Looks like an M97 bit the big one if Mountanman has an 08 Boxster. So they're not 100% reliable either. I'm sure Jake could attest to that. I'll continue to monitor the situation and keep my options open. Maybe the M97s are reaching an age where they'll start failing more often. If that's the case, I'll reevaluate my plans. My decision would be significantly different if the replacement was $2k instead of $4K.

As far as the Huskers are concerned... Did anyone get the license plate of that runaway semi that flattened us? Man. I thought we were ready to take the next step forward but we ended up taking at least 3 steps backwards. Gotta hand it to Wiscy - they were playing with house money and they bet big. Should be an interesting slugfest in the Rose Bowl. I was planning to go to Indy but cancelled out Fri morning as my Cayman S Sport deal started to take shape. Would have been a looong drive home today from Indy.

[husker boxster]

I've been wanting to chime in for a while but haven't for fear of bad kwan, but here goes...

First, we're 3 pages deep into this thread and we haven't heard back from the OP. Maybe he's busy planning his course of action and doesn't have time to give us an update but it's interesting to me. Based on his description (multiple P-Car owner) and his # of posts, he doesn't appear to be someone who came in with an incendiary bomb and sits back and watches the fun. Would be interesting to get an update on what direction he's going.

Second, with all the info available on IMS failures there shouldn't be a Boxster or 911 owner on this planet who isn't aware of it. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you but you can't deny any knowledge of it. And now with preventative measures available, how can you blame Porsche if you ignore it and then it happens to you? We can debate whether Porsche should build a bullet proof car capable of 250K mi of trouble free driving and we can debate the number of IMS failures vs the total number of cars produced. That's not my point. We know there is an issue and we have options. If we choose to ignore those options, aren't we cuplable? When someone pens a thread about their IMS shooting craps and Porsche should be held accountable, I'd like to know why they chose to not do anything prior to the occurrence.

Having said all that, I'm probably going to be hit hard by the IMS Gods. That wouldn't be good with my stable about to expand to 3 for a period of time. However, I've evaluated my situation. My cars have M97 engines with the improved IMSB. In a previous IMS thread, I asked Jake what the approx cost is to change out the IMSB in an M97. He said $4200 IIRC. So I can spend $4200 or $10000 if my improved version doesn't live. I've been watching threads carefully (esp on Planet-9 since that's more 987 centric) and there are very few M97 failures. Not zero, but few. The M96 is much more prone. So I'm going to roll the dice. If mine fail, I don't want any sympathy because I've chosen to go this route and I won't be wanting to start a class action suit against Porsche. Two of my three cars currently have CPO into next yr, so my decision might be different next yr.

[recycledsixtie]

I have a 2001 Boxster base 2.7l engine. How do I know if my engine has a double row or single row IMS? Does the ims have to be removed first or can the serial no. of the car give an indication of what kind of bearing it is? I have ims guardian installed already but would like to know what I have.

[BoxsterSteve]

Visually is the only way to determine which bearing you have installed.
Unfortunately, the trans, clutch and flywheel have to come off first and then the original bearing removed.
Vehicle and engine serials won't tell which bearing is in there. IIRC, somewhere on the LN or Pelican site, I can't remember which, there was an approximate breakdown by engine s/n, but even that's not guaranteed...

[shadrach74]

Originally Posted by BoxsterSteve

Visually is the only way to determine which bearing you have installed.
Unfortunately, the trans, clutch and flywheel have to come off first and then the original bearing removed.
Vehicle and engine serials won't tell which bearing is in there. IIRC, somewhere on the LN or Pelican site, I can't remember which, there was an approximate breakdown by engine s/n, but even that's not guaranteed...

What you say is not really true. Some of the MY's have a known set up, it's only during upgrade years that were subject to design changes that it the bearing need be visually inspected. Do you think Porsche designed multiple bearing styles out of the gate and just through different bearing in different cars to keep everyone guessing?

[BoxsterSteve]

Originally Posted by shadrach74

What you say is not really true. Some of the MY's have a known set up, it's only during upgrade years that were subject to design changes that it the bearing need be visually inspected. Do you think Porsche designed multiple bearing styles out of the gate and just through different bearing in different cars to keep everyone guessing?

Just got back to this post...
Shad, sorry but I didn't express myself accurately. What I was referring to was a chart showing an approximate change-over from double row to single row based on engine s/n.

[mountainman]

I am back and I have been doing what I am supposed to do, putting hundreds of miles on the 08 boxster. In answer to what I did, I ate the $20K and had a new engine put in.
There seem to be a lot of varied opinion but it seems most feel that Porsche could have been more responsible in addressing the problem than they were. If someone else can make a better bearing, couldn"t porsche have also and if not couldn"t they have purchased that better bearing themselves instead of continuing to build their own flawed one? And I find it unbelievable that someone should be expected to buy a $100K sportscar and then expect to start replacing engine parts that aren't up to par. When should you do it, 50,000 miles, 30,000, 20,000 or just drive it straight from the dealer and have it done with no miles.
Not trying to change anyones mind, I just feel that when this became significant problem Porsche could have addressed it much quicker and spent a few dollars more to put in a better bearing and saved Many of their customers like me thousands. I started buying their cars in 1964 and have owned dozens of them over the last 50 years. I have certainly done my part to make them what they are today and I just feel a little shortchanged I supposed.
Enough said on this subject. I have to go buy 3 sets of Porsche tires to reshoe everything. It ain't cheap top drive these things. Thanks for the input

[Perfectlap]

You replaced an engine on a 2008 987? And Porsche didn't offer to help with the cost? Being that its still 2012 you must have been only a few months out of warranty?

Originally Posted by mountainman

I am back and I have been doing what I am supposed to do, putting hundreds of miles on the 08 boxster. In answer to what I did, I ate the $20K and had a new engine put in.

[stephen wilson]

If you check his previous posts, you'll see the IMS failure was on an '02 C4 , not the '08 Boxster.