Porsche Survival

[stephen wilson]

Wow, that's the oddest thing I've ever heard. You want a sportscar without grip???? It does sound like you want a vintage car. You could just put the cheapest narrow tires you can find on it, that should kill your grip.

[pothole]

Originally Posted by stephen wilson

Wow, that's the oddest thing I've ever heard. You want a sportscar without grip???? It does sound like you want a vintage car. You could just put the cheapest narrow tires you can find on it, that should kill your grip.

I didn't say I wanted no grip. I said I wanted lower grip than is typical with, say, a Boxster, which has too much grip, especially on the rear axle. A little less grip would allow you to get the rear of the car moving around more easily and, as blue200s says, improves the steering, gives you better road feel. Narrower tyres can actually make a car feel more positive on turn in too. Fat tyres give you more grip, but they can make a car feel dull witted, too.

The problem with, say, throwing really ****************ty tyres on the rear axle is that you don't just loose grip. There's the structure of the tyre too - if the sidewall is very weak, for instance, that's not going to be nice for handling.

The GT-86 / BRZ has thin tyres specifically so that you can slide the thing at sane speeds and sane lateral loads. I doubt many people care. Only people who love proper driver's cars will think that's a good idea, and there are hardly any of those.

[fivepointnine]

I love a good drivers car, but I would much rather grip than drift! I love taking on ramps at stupid speeds and feeling the lateral G-loads....it would just be unsafe to be drifting around said on-ramp!

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by fivepointnine

I love a good drivers car, but I would much rather grip than drift! I love taking on ramps at stupid speeds and feeling the lateral G-loads....it would just be unsafe to be drifting around said on-ramp!

Now imagine getting that same feeling going 30 or 40 mph. Where you aren't at risk of killing yourself or someone else. That's the difference.

[pothole]

Originally Posted by fivepointnine

I love a good drivers car, but I would much rather grip than drift! I love taking on ramps at stupid speeds and feeling the lateral G-loads....it would just be unsafe to be drifting around said on-ramp!

To be honest, good driver's cars aren't about taking ramps at high speeds. There are plenty of **************** modern cars with very high grip levels that can do it.

But even with much more narrow tyres, you could still very probably take the ramps at the speeds you are now. You're probably nowhere near the limit with your massive boots.

The narrow 225s the 16-inch 986 wheels have would be good, it's just a shame the 16s look so crap...

[stephen wilson]

Well, the Boxster is pretty much the benchmark for steering feel, so I'm not sure what your trying to improve on. You guys really sound like you should be Elise owners.

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by pothole

The GT-86 / BRZ has thin tyres specifically so that you can slide the thing at sane speeds and sane lateral loads. I doubt many people care. Only people who love proper driver's cars will think that's a good idea, and there are hardly any of those.

Toyota says they are Prius tires. Which is awesome, someone knows what they're doing over there.