POTHOLE, have you ever driven an MGF? I've always been curious what they're like. We don't get them in NA.

I own a 97 Miata with 120K miles that still has it's original clutch, water pump, timing belt, rotors, AOS, alternator, starter, muffler, ignition switch.....

Outright grip. Lap times. 1/4 mile times. All of these are pretty much irrelevant to what makes for a great driver's car.

Another great example is an E30 M3. 200hp. Not terribly quick. Low grip levels by today's standards. And a far, far better driver's car than the current 414hp E9x M3 which would annihilate it by every objective measure.

It's just utterly ridiculous to call the Miata mediocre because it delivers slow lap times. Lap times have nothing to do with driving enjoyment, which is what matters in a driver's car.

This would be true in the short and possibly medium term.

However, people want the Cayenne because of the cachet of the Porsche badge. And that cachet is closely related to and probably dependent on the existence of the sports car models. The sports cars are very important to the brand, in my opinion.

Sadly not. They're meant to be pretty good. But the build quality and cabin are pretty hideous. I'm not a fan.

yes sorta important to me but not totally, that is why I bought a S instead of a standard 2.7 (sub 14 second 1/4 mile) but not totally important or I would have just bought a vette or GTO......

my next car will be an Elise...bring on the 1G cornering!

plus you see even less of them than Boxsters!

Lotus: Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious

not an esprit, an elise, the one with a Toyota motor...I have never heard of issues with the elise

Lotus Toy: Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious Ton Of Yen

Just kidding around, today's Lotus cars are much better than the ones we serviced in the 70's and 80's.

I have had 4 Lotus over 15 years in total 1, esprit 1, Elise and 2 elan se turbos (m100) none gave any issues ever!