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[Overdrive]

If only it were easy to add lightness to Porsches these days without losing driveability. I do have to say though, even Lotus is screwing that mantra up these days in some aspects (virtually every Elise and its derivatives being an exception). I'd much rather see a lot of these companies that built their names and the prestige of some of their models go back to the roots that got them there. I understand that cars will gain weight in the name of more safety, but my potential double-duty DD/Track Day car should not come packed to the gills with feel-good tech and anti-crash nannies. Airbags are one thing, but if the car was built with too much power and/or not enough handling prowess that I can't efficiently handle the car without a half dozen sensors and computers controlling it and trying to bend physics (ABS is an exception here IMO), then to me the auto maker is doing it wrong and needs to fix it. If I want traction control I'll apply less right foot as needed, thanks. It's getting to the point where one doesn't need significant defensive driving skills, reflexes, and knowledge of recovery tactics to save yourself from slamming into a guardrail or unintentionally getting sideways. Instead you get the car doing more work than it's ever had to just so you can distract yourself with all the extra crap that's in the car.

If it's supposed to be a sports car, and it doesn't help to achieve or expand that sportiness...just leave it out please.

When a Corvette is shorter and lighter than a 911, that is indeed a problem...she may be pretty, but things like that kind of take away the appeal of what you expected to come in the total package: sleek, light, agile, fast, and fun...for a price, of course.

[stephen wilson]

I'm afraid cars will never go back in that direction. Features that aren't mandated (I believe stability control is now) will be added due to customer demand. Let's face it, people who want a stripped-down car are a miniscule part of potential new car buyers.

You guys should look into classic or vintage cars. (I have a '65 Mustang, which some day will be driveable!) Though if you want a Porsche, that could get expensive! You can "resto-mod" a vintage car to have modern performance, adding only what extras that YOU want.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by stephen wilson

Let's face it, people who want a stripped-down car are a miniscule part of potential new car buyers.

This is true, SW, but that's how companies like Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lotus, and McLaren got started, and where they found their initial market. People who wanted a car that performed athletically, not necessarily intelligently, on the road. The intelligence came from the brain behind the wheel.

Again, federally mandated stuff is one thing, and it just has to be accepted. But I feel if the companies are looking to expand their market to everyone else who isn't looking for a sports car (what a Porsche almost always was) and is instead going to buy ridiculous things like Cayennes, Rapides, Panameras and Cignets, all with all sorts of glitz and technological bleeding edge crap, then they should still allow for a completely basic, no-frills version of their cars like 911s, Boxsters, Caymans, etc for the people who want their status symbol to also perform like a sports car. They'd be lighter, have less crap to break in them (switches, backlights, electronics, etc), and it should cost less, though the companies would probably figure out a way of charging you more for providing you with less of an office on wheels and more of a CAR, sadly.

To add to that, I wonder how much energy one could save (in terms of fuel burning) for not having to run a bunch of computers, sensors, and additional lights on the car other than the dash lights and exterior lights? Hello, fuel efficiency bump.

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by stephen wilson

I'm afraid cars will never go back in that direction. Features that aren't mandated (I believe stability control is now) will be added due to customer demand. Let's face it, people who want a stripped-down car are a miniscule part of potential new car buyers.

You guys should look into classic or vintage cars. (I have a '65 Mustang, which some day will be driveable!) Though if you want a Porsche, that could get expensive! You can "resto-mod" a vintage car to have modern performance, adding only what extras that YOU want.

Try driving an old sports car like my '82 RX7, or a 70's Z or a 70's 911. Pure mechanical bliss.

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[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

If only it were easy to add lightness to Porsches these days without losing driveability. I do have to say though, even Lotus is screwing that mantra up these days in some aspects (virtually every Elise and its derivatives being an exception). I'd much rather see a lot of these companies that built their names and the prestige of some of their models go back to the roots that got them there. I understand that cars will gain weight in the name of more safety, but my potential double-duty DD/Track Day car should not come packed to the gills with feel-good tech and anti-crash nannies. Airbags are one thing, but if the car was built with too much power and/or not enough handling prowess that I can't efficiently handle the car without a half dozen sensors and computers controlling it and trying to bend physics (ABS is an exception here IMO), then to me the auto maker is doing it wrong and needs to fix it. If I want traction control I'll apply less right foot as needed, thanks. It's getting to the point where one doesn't need significant defensive driving skills, reflexes, and knowledge of recovery tactics to save yourself from slamming into a guardrail or unintentionally getting sideways. Instead you get the car doing more work than it's ever had to just so you can distract yourself with all the extra crap that's in the car.

If it's supposed to be a sports car, and it doesn't help to achieve or expand that sportiness...just leave it out please.

When a Corvette is shorter and lighter than a 911, that is indeed a problem...she may be pretty, but things like that kind of take away the appeal of what you expected to come in the total package: sleek, light, agile, fast, and fun...for a price, of course.

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