IMS detector MIA?
 

What happened to the Flat 6 IMS failure detector that was anounced with great fanfare in July? It was suspose to be on sale by now. All refernces to it have been removed from the Flat 6 web site. Was there a problem?

read in another forum that sales were halted due to an unexpectedly high demand.

also mentioned there will be an article in nov's excellence mag.

no new sales until after the magazine is released (probably so he can increase manufacturing to meet the demand after the article)

After the Pre sale period the product was pulled until the debut in Excellence.. We actually planned to do this, nothing was unexpected... The demand was greater than we had imagined and we are working hard to get product ready for when sales open.

Honestly we had a leak of the technology, we had originally planned to debut the technology in the Excellence article out of the blue.

Read all about it in the November issue of Excellence, it is being printed as we speak.

That is great news Jake! Glad there is no problem, and looking forward to reading the magazine article.

OK, what is the Failure Detector? How is it supposed to work?

Thanks!!!

Ah, well, you see, if you want to know that you have to buy the magazine.

Jake, you said the technology was going to be printed in Excellence. That means your letting the cat out of the bag. Have you given the Failure Detector to the one who guessed how it worked yet? Can't wait to see how close I was. :dance:

NO ONE has had the technology released to them outside of Two distributors abroad, the Excellence crew and our Patent Attorneys.. It will stay this way until the article is published.

Four people guessed right, they will all receive a free unit AFTER the release.

There is no way that we'll be able to keep up with demand on these.. We are building them all in house at the present and do NOT want to look overseas to manufacture them.

No more info is available till the article is released, we don't need more hooplah to draw us away from the task at hand.

Thanks Jake,

I just received a mail with last news about Guardian. So i guess that waiting time is only a patent issue. You're right to save your intellectual property from being stolen.

What about Excellence magazine overseas? May I get it somewhere down here (italy)?

It is then possible to place an order prior the Guardian will be put on sale again?

Thanks again Jake.

Lots of reasons make up the story on why the IMSG is later than expected..
The biggest one is the patent but also the switch that the system uses is a Porsche switch and we have bought every unit in stock, all over the world.

Overseas orders are no problem, we ship overseas everyday.

Then it will be tricky to get a new door locking switch somewhere around the world... lol. So now we know who's to blame for... ;)

I know you ship overseas and my meaning was to know if you have planned to build up a pre order list in order to start distributing the Guardian as soon as it will be officially released, saving order time after releasing. If so, I would subscribe for a piece right now and reach my peace of mind while driving my old 986.

Anyway, I left a switch housing free on my dashboard that will be filled very soon.

Thanks

The only switch that has the proper circuitry for the IMSG is the seat heater switch...

We depleted the entire world supply of these units in the Porsche supply system.

Can I please have a link to this thread? I like to read about the guesses. Thanks.:)

The guesses were all PM'd to me..
You'll know about the technology soon enough, the magazine is being printed this week!

Will this technology be revealed also worldwide or has the patent been filed only in the US?

Where the magazine can be bought in Euorpe? I'm curious, I know...

Excellence is distributed worldwide. We have international patents filed and pending.

Well, I'm getting in troubles to find someone who's distributing Excellence magazine in Italy. But I'll keep on trying...

If you can't get one then pm me and I'll email you a scan of the article.

Thanks Mark, I really appreciate. I'll let you know.

Just don't publicly post the article.. Doing so would make Excellence very unhappy.
We have depleted the entire world supply of the Porsche switch and connector that's required to produce the IMSG, we can't build any more units until the Porsche supply system fills our most recent order of 500 units.
The entire first batch of units are already spoken for.

Then I ask again a question: do we have the chance to pre order the guardian or do we have to wait for the second batch of switches to arrive since you got the first batch already sold? In this case, how long we are talking about?

Pre-Orders are over. They have been for well over a month now.

Next week at some point the excellence article should be out in the hands of subscribers. When this happens we will open up the ordering for the product again, then fill those orders in the way they were received.

The other switches have been on order from Porsche for weeks, they finally told us today that they should be here by the end of October, but it will only be enough to fill 230 orders.

Will Porsche or the OEM of the switch/circuitry
 

produce more for you?

Sure be a shame not to be able to help those who want it once the stock you bought is sold out...

The Europeans do not support free enterprise.. So more than likely once someone figures out why we have bought every switch on the planet (after the article comes out) we won't be able to get more switches.

Well, isn't that just wonderful for the people who actually need those switches for their intended purpose.

It's time to think of a better way to switch it. How about something in that little knockout on the far left of the dash?

Your cockpit interface is slick. Keep some switches on hand for development and perhaps reverse engineer them as long as the cost not too high.

Perhaps you could make a trip to Hong Kong and get somebody to start making them for you...quality willing

The off shore sourcing doesn't work... We tried that earlier with this product's wiring harness and a even the entire system except the switch.. Three different factories could not meet my standards so now all units are being made at our facility from scratch with the exception of the circuit boards.

The switch is just another hurdle, I have been fighting those for 3 years with this development and it's just another day at the office for me.

We are used to resistance at this point. All these people are doing is making life more difficult for the owners of the cars...

Jake,

I just tried to use the link to your site thats on the left to get the cost of the IMSG. My Norton Anti-Virus blocked it saying it was a malicious web site. The details said the site had 10 drive-by software bugs...just sayin'.

By the way, how much is the IMSG?

This means that we'll soon start a race to get one piece until the switch issue will be definetely solved staying with eyes open wide to check the website to place a pre order for about 230 pieces more.

If you publicize the IMSG all over the US and even worldwide, a thousand of pieces could not be enough to fulfill request. I'm sure you're planning something different to give your customer the chance to get one of this useful devices. Isn't so?

PS: I just want to underline that I'm not questioning your knowledge or commitment into developing this device or even discussing your methods, I indeed appreciate your effort in such a development and engineering Porsche's technology. Please, forgive my language since I'm really not so skilled with english and could say something which is not written as intended.

Pretty much.. The switch is imperative to the original design of the IMSG in regard to seamless installation, resulting in a vehicle that appears to be 100% "stock". I have been working with another switch manufacturer, however it is likely that the shape of the Porsche switch is specific and may lead to conflicts with Porsche if we decided to replicate it. We are investigating this now; but we can take no risks with this. It is entirely possible that another interface will need to be supplied with the units that are produced after the current switch supply is depleted.

1000?? Hell, we have 400 pieces already spoken for and the technology is still yet to be revealed! We need multiple thousands of these and have all the other components required to produce these numbers already on hand. The switch is the missing link undoubtedly.

Yes, but we must approach this very carefully. Also you have to understand that we spent MONTHS trying to get the system perfected with the stock Porsche switch and due to this the circuit boards and wiring harness are specifically set up for that particular switch. Until we placed an order for switches that depleted the US stock of them we had no knowledge that PAG would limit the number of switches they were willing to supply to us.

No problem. We have a challenge with the switches, but its a good problem to have when thousands of people want something.. Its not a good problem to have when people can't have the order filled due to a single switch that we more than likely cannot reproduce without some sort of possible recourse with the MFR.

I have two more designs in wok at the present that will retain the functionality of the system, but won't integrate into the stock dash as seamlessly. To me, all that matters is saving an engine with the use of this system, and IMHO the purchasers are being too concerned with cosmetics anyway.

The IMSG retails at 389.95

Jake, are you locked into this specific switch because of the patent, too?

What firm is doing your global patent work?

Just the function of the switch is part of the patent, not that particular switch.
We have worked with a couple of different firms on the patent work, if you have ties in that community, please PM me.

If there diffuculties, perhaps you could change the top surface contour of the switch enough that it becomes your own design under your patented control while still retaining a fairly good integration with the 9X6 interiors. For example: you could flatten the peak and valley of the top surface relief. Not as nice but a possible option.

I do not have any direct experience with Porsche but I do have a lot of experience with Apple, another firm known for its excellence in design.

And if you want a long term legal battle, then go ahead and create a new design that is somewhat reminiscent of their design and call it your own. Apple will quickly issue legal threats, get court injunctions, and have your products impounded by US Customs until you either run out of money or just give up.

Ask me how I know.

..It's an non oem replacement switch for the seat heaters

There are plenty of other examples/manufactures. How do they do it? Check out a Laso water pump. Is a pretty close copy of the genuine Porsche one. Have your legal people research what is needed to be a non oem automotive supplier if needed.

This is the reason we have utilized the Porsche switch..

This is a lot different than a water pump... This is a really sensitive topic...

Jake,

If you sell all the IMSG's you can make with the limited number of seat heater switches you can get your hands on...I have question;

What if I have a seat heater switch, I send it to you, you make the IMSG with my parts, will you then sell it back to me minus the cost of the switch? With that, I think you'll sell more by having your customers supplying you the parts you're short, thus relieving you of your DMS issue. :cheers:

We had actually thought of that, but the logistics would be amazing at the insane volume we expect...You have to think, 400 units sold in less than 3 weeks and those purchasers had no idea how the unit worked... And that was done from just one forum thread.

But you must go for another system if market demand is more than what you can make with all switches you can put your hands on.
Ok I have some seat heater swithces in a box... I luckily saved them from waste and now I believe thay could be used for a right purpose...