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Count me in, I will gladly pay $ 400.00 for one , just for peace of mind. :)
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I certainly understand statistics..
I understand them enough to know that in this scenario they can't be calculated. It's really simple: The IMSG gives the advanced notice that an issue is imminent and no other device or process to date has been able do this. That advanced notice is what allows engines to be saved before collateral damage occurs that takes the engine out. Either someone sees benefit in such a system, or they don't... Those that do see benefit buy it and the others do not, that's the freedom that we all have as Americans. Those who do invest in the technology get a sense of security that has only been available through an IMSR in the past at a much higher cost for the total process. The IMSG also has the ability to seek out 10 other forms of failure that the IMSR does not address and offers a 150% credit toward a Flat 6 engine solution to those who buy the unit through us. Remember: until 2009 LN and I had not developed the technology to safely extract the IMS bearing with the engine together and in the car. The development of the IMSG pre-dates the IMSR as I had this idea before we ever retrofitted the first bearing successfully. People call our Offices looking for a sense if security all day everyday and we cannot give it to them honestly. The IMSG gives this to them continually from the dash interface with an audible and visual IMS Alert and push to test features. Believe in it? Great, buy it. Don't believe in it? Don't buy it. Its that simple. That's said, the first 500 units are almost already spoken for in less than one week of pre-sales with zero advertisement and people still don't even know how it works. The do know what it offers and that's enough to captivate them. I was basing nothing on the 3 cars here now except the fact that all of them could have been saved if advanced warning was given and the proper action was taken. When the female owner of one of them saw the technology employed in one of our test cars she asked why in the world we didn't come out with it sooner. The IMS bearing failure isn't what generally drives the stake in the heart if the engine, it's a primary mode of failure that leads to collateral damage that is much worse and not able to be solved without complete engine teardown. The female driver we were referring to has an IMS bearing that is still intact, but has failed. What took her off the road was a rod knock that was created from collateral damage. Her IMS bearing could be retrofitted today and she would still have a rod knock, if caught early enough the whole situation could have been much different and instead if 15k, she would be looking at 3k with a credit applied from my company if she had the IMSG employed. The choice is yours. |
My 3 yr aftermarket warranty is just about done with no claims (that's great), and it cost me around $1400. This Jake device is a much cheaper investment.
HOWEVER, my concern is false alarm. If the thing records a failure being imminent, we stop the car and tow it to safety. Then we are committed to an expensive repair. All well and good the Jake device worked as intended. But if it was a false alarm, then we're out big bucks for an IMS bearing replacement plus $400. What to do? What to do? |
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Jake,
Just saw the teaser. Very slick and seamless system integration with the car's interior. I am impressed. The press to test feature really gives you away as an ex aircraft maint. engineer. Reminds me of fire suppression squib tests on certain older jets before lighting the APU. Cool stuff! |
Ok Jake, let me make sure I didn't misunderstand your post. So this device goes beyond simply monitoring what would bring about an IMS retrofit or replacement, and actually monitors other potential engine failure points? In the specific case you last mentioned, were you saying that the rod failed because of the IMS, or that the IMS failed because of the rod? Either way, you're saying the warning given by the IMS Guardian would have occured early enough to minimize the damage and possibly save the engine, yes?
BTW, I'm all for press-to-test being an aircraft maintainer, I wish cars had them, especially with all the different forms of monitoring that modern cars now have for various systems and components. |
Jake,
I'm a DYI kind of guy for lots of projects but how easy on a scale of 1 to 10 is this install? TIA |
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Even better! A self-proclaimed snake oil salesman! Can't say he doesn't lay his cards on the table! :p
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Do some searches on who I am and the company I have built from scratch and you will see that honesty, integrity and effectiveness are what my name brings to the table. The IMS Guardian is no different. Quote:
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Even without the Hotline Email and forum support will be available to assist those who have received an IMS Alert and need to know the next steps. Quote:
If the press to test is carried out while the alarm is sounding and the light remains red and the alarm continues to sound, then something has damaged the sensor or the system and the occurrence would be considered a false alarm. When we can reveal the technology many questions will be answered. The Tech Forum in Excellence Magazine will also answer many of them as well, all the other sill be addressed by the extensive portion of our website being dedicated to this technology, its testing, how it works, its features and overall information. Any other questions? Comments? Remember: I am not holding a .357 Magnum to anyone's head to buy this. If you don't believe in it, think it isn't needed or just don't like it- thats absolutely fine. The pre-sales alone have already exceeded what we thought would sell in the first 6 months the product was on the market and its only been on our store site for SIX DAYS... It has yet to be advertised in any formal marketing and other than two forum posts it doesn't even exist.. There is not even any mention of it on our main website.. |
Is my peace of mind worth $385?
You bet it is. |
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LOL- imagine trying to sell a used car w/ this IMSG doo-dad thing-a-majig whatyamacallit button in the dash. I probably feel more at ease w/ curb feelers installed on car.
Anyhow, just curious: What's the transferable warranty on ISMG? Seems it should comes w/ a lifetime one, right? What's the "warning" duration? What's the data logging capabilities? What happens if engine implodes and IMSG doens't go off? Hmmmm... customer gets a free engine of their choice, right? Why an "extra" $30 beans for "hotline"? Should be included in core price otherwise, whats the BFD? What happens when engine implodes w/ IMSR and ISMG? Presume customer becomes SOL? How will this interfere with deer whistlers I bought from cover of JCWhitney last month???? Need steak to accompany sizzle . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Did I get this right? You pay $400 for a warning system which when it goes off (and who knows when or why) it convinces you to pay $2,000 to repair a failure that hasn't yet happened?
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With the number of people who are absolutely unwilling to electively replace their IMS Bearing until it shows signs of failure this system allows them to procrastinate as long as possible while they are afforded a sense of security, both visually and audibly. This is an IMS Bearing that is not caught soon enough in the failure process. http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3678620_n.jpg The failure process is made up of four stages of bearing degradtion and ultimately failure. Collateral damage created by the lack of IMS support and alignment is more damaging to the engine than thew actual IMS bearing failure. This bearing is at Stage 3 failure. It was caught in time and was extracted from the engine and replaced with an IMSR procedure. This person was lucky because the engine had a noise and a release of oil that was noted before the bearing completely fused together, seized and then snapped. Note the wear materials inside this bearing, it did not lose any balls or other major pieces at the time it was extracted, but it only had miles of use left in it before it failed completely. http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._6159440_n.jpg http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4629254_n.jpg The owner of the car is still driving it today. So the key to being able to save an engine withoput complete replacement is advanced warning. Doing so enables the bearing to be extracted and replaced easily with no collateral damage occurring. Here are some samples of collateral damage that occurred when the IMS bearing failed, valve timing was compromised and components began to collide with one another, stemming from some form of IMS related incident. http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3576620_n.jpg http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._1307404_n.jpg What people do not realize is once you hear a noise, notice a symptom or actually grasp the fact that something is happenning to you, the engine is often times past the point where it can be saved without complete disassembly and complete reconstruction. Put simply: Once the full failure occurs, you don't have enough of an engine left to repair. |
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Certainly, I understand the implications of a failed IMS. I still say that the IMS failure rate is 2%-3% and thus worrying about the IMS is over-hyped. I replaced my clutch two weeks ago and didn't touch the IMS. With 94,000 miles, there are 20 other things that are just as likely to fail in the engine as the IMS. What about those? Where is the cam tensionor guide failure detector? And the cam chain failure detector? And the... well, you get the idea. |
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The IMSG has the ability to detect 10 other modes of failure, all of which are significant and if caught in time the majority of them can be repaired before the engine experiences collateral damage. The one thing that people call us about most, other than having an actual engine failure, is the ability to add a sense of security to their vehicle. Most of these people do not understand mechanical workings and they believe that a crystal ball exists here. We can't give them any sense of security without invasive procedures unless the IMSG is employed. I hope you don't have any engine issues, but I will say that one of our biggest critics who believed much like you do had an experience last year that cost him an engine and his Porsche, because he could not afford to repair it. That person fought us tooth and nail for 4 solid years and then all of a sudden he disappeared and I'll be damned if the guy that bought his car didn't call us up to tell us the news- he actually found it funny because the guy admitted to him what he had been saying. He got a smoking deal on the car, I built him a new engine and lets just say that one went full circle. I guess that Karma had a bit of a problem with him for some reason. He found out real quick that being in that "2-3%" really sucks. Thats the beautiful thing about America. I have the ability to design this system and sell it on the free market and you have the ability to doubt everything I say and express that to me. Neither one of us has to give a damn about what the other one thinks, it is truly awesome. Okay, make that 0200 now.. I have to get some sleep, I have an engine to blow up on purpose tomorrow while under the watchful eye of the IMSG and I can't wait! |
If this thing works like it's supposed to, it seems like a great innovative product. Not sure why some are ********************in. Pushing the button every time you start car seems a little monotonous though, I would prefer something automatic.
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The pushing of the button is just a system test, a test of the alarm, as far as I know. I believe the monitoring function to be engaged automatically upon ignition.
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