2012 Boxster

[eightsandaces]

Originally Posted by yelojkt

Good point. I drive a car with a slightly modified 1.8T and it makes the base boxsters that I have driven feel feel slow. I have yet to drive an S model. But I would say it would be comparable in speed to my car. I love this motor (1.8T) but I do not want one in a boxster. I want a flat six. Lower center of gravity and the sound. A boxster without the growl of the flat six behind you just would not be a proper boxster.

The boxster feeling slow is sometimes due to how well Porsche cars go fast. Conversely, my old Fiat sounds and feels like it's quick but it's not, at least relative to anything new.

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by eightsandaces

The boxster feeling slow is sometimes due to how well Porsche cars go fast. Conversely, my old Fiat sounds and feels like it's quick but it's not, at least relative to anything new.

I Have a 99 Boxster it can do 0-60 in 7.7 sec. that is SLOOOOOW. My Volvo 0-60 time is 6.5. My Lotus Elise can do it in 4.8 sec.

[eightsandaces]

Originally Posted by jbs986

I Have a 99 Boxster it can do 0-60 in 7.7 sec. that is SLOOOOOW. My Volvo 0-60 time is 6.5. My Lotus Elise can do it in 4.8 sec.

Porsche's are not boulevard stop light racers, people who rate cars based on 0-60 are limiting their interpretation of the vehicle. Face it your "volvo" is toast after sixty. I like the Elise but I hear it requires a Yogi master to assist in the entry exit of the vehicle, no thanks. Not to mention the Elise looks like a praying mantis with the "toss another set of vents in" styling cues. The new Lotus Evora looks a lot cooler but the Cayman crushed it in a side by side and costs more than 10k less.

PS My pal's worked, old school, GTO was a rocketship off the line, I don't see it setting any Nuremberg ring times of note. As Alfa used to advertise, "It's not how fast you go, it's how you go fast".

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by eightsandaces

Porsche's are not boulevard stop light racers, people who rate cars based on 0-60 are limiting their interpretation of the vehicle. Face it your "volvo" is toast after sixty. I like the Elise but I hear it requires a Yogi master to assist in the entry exit of the vehicle, no thanks. Not to mention the Elise looks like a praying mantis with the "toss another set of vents in" styling cues. The new Lotus Evora looks a lot cooler but the Cayman crushed it in a side by side and costs more than 10k less.

PS My pal's worked, old school, GTO was a rocketship off the line, I don't see it setting any Nuremberg ring times of note. As Alfa used to advertise, "It's not how fast you go, it's how you go fast".

I agree, I did not buy my boxster for it's off the line performance,If someone did Thay would be vary disappointed.

My point is are cars are show,that is a fact, As far as the Lotus go's Thay say if you look down and can't see your belt you will have a problem getting in and out of a lotus.This is not a problem for me.

As for the comments on the vents unlike Porsche and many other cars,there isn't a single thing on the car that is for just looks, it is there for performance reasons only.the car light at only 1850lbs it will smoke my boxster in every performance category.I would love to take you out on the track with me, based on your comments I can tell you have never been in a Lotus but obviously you an expert when it comes to the Lotus Elise.

As far as looks, I think to looks great, I like that you called it a praying mantis, it will eat my Boxster alive out on the track.

[Overdrive]

Hooray for staying on subject.

As far as the car having a 4 cylinder in it, I can see it happening due to the restrictions and efficiency requirements needed in the next few years. Obviously, it'd be a shame if they put in a 4 cylinder that wasn't a flat-4 and they continue to call the car Boxster. Hopefully, as someone stated just a few posts ago, if they do make it a flat-4 they keep it sounding like a Porshce and don't go for the Boy Racer Burble you get from any Subaru with even slightly larger exhaust plumbing.

[eightsandaces]

Originally Posted by jbs986

I agree, I did not buy my boxster for it's off the line performance,If someone did Thay would be vary disappointed.

My point is are cars are show,that is a fact, As far as the Lotus go's Thay say if you look down and can't see your belt you will have a problem getting in and out of a lotus.This is not a problem for me.

As for the comments on the vents unlike Porsche and many other cars,there isn't a single thing on the car that is for just looks, it is there for performance reasons only.the car light at only 1850lbs it will smoke my boxster in every performance category.I would love to take you out on the track with me, based on your comments I can tell you have never been in a Lotus but obviously you an expert when it comes to the Lotus Elise.

As far as looks, I think to looks great, I like that you called it a praying mantis, it will eat my Boxster alive out on the track.

You don't have to be fat to hurt entering and exiting a vehicle, old and mangled will do, I'm 6'1" and weigh 215. In fact, getting in and out of the Boxster top down has ruined me for any hard top coupe. Even on cobbled days, I can get in the Boxster.

I have no doubt the Lotus will slice up a track, the new Evora got very low ratings on AC, which in a coupe during summer traffic is vital to me. The Cayman did beat it, however as I said you can tell it's a pretty cool ride. I have no "hate" for Lotus, the Elise style just isn't my next passion.

As for the "topic":

The overall performance of the machine will be Porsche, the sound as always will be secondary.

[mikefocke]

Porsche produces a car people want and have bought in 200K+ numbers over 14 years. It is a reasonably practical car that can be a track car. The Lotus is a great track car that can be used on the street but the degree of comfort wouldn't induce me to want to take a 600+ mile a day jaunt in it. Or my wife to ride to the store in it.

Single purpose cars are gonna be better for that purpose. And if you bought the P-car thinking it was anything but what it is you are bound to be disappointed.

Now for enough $ I can get you 450HP and then we can see how you like it.

[jacabean]

The lotus Evora is a real nice car , it just needs to evolve a little. there is an "S" model coming out in the spring which should bring it's performance up to match or surpass the cayman although it cost more than a cayman it is a much more exclusive car.

On the other hand if porsche does roll out a flat 4 turbo for the 914/356/baby boxster do not expect it to sound like a flat 6. it will have different characteristics altogether. I am sure it will sound good and think of the potential performance gains from using a turbo.
I would welcome a flat 4 turbo banger . light weight and more simple , hopefully.

[jacabean]

as far as the lotus smoking a boxster , not true. in the car and driver battles of the fastest the lotus exige 260s did a 3:04.5 , boxster spyder did 3:03.8 and cayman S 3:05.8 so the lotus smoking a boxster is bull.

[laphan]

Originally Posted by eightsandaces

The boxster feeling slow is sometimes due to how well Porsche cars go fast. Conversely, my old Fiat sounds and feels like it's quick but it's not, at least relative to anything new.

Completely agree... My winter beater is mercury grand marquis. It has 4.6 V8, feels fast because the car squats whenever you press the accelerator pedal (felt fast like in fast and furious movie but it actually took over 9 sec to 60). The cowl/A- pillar/roof make really loud vibration noise whenever you go faster than 65mph (I still sometime check if I still have my roof after extended highway cruising).
It even feel like you are going to flip over if you take corner faster than 35mph

http://www.insideline.com/mercury/grand-marquis/2010/2010-mercury-grand-marquis-ls-ultimate-edition-full-test.html

The boxster feels slower as long as you don't look at the speedometer....