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Old 06-04-2010, 11:47 AM   #1
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lugging the engine

OK, we're not supposed to lug the engine.
Why, how does it hurt the engine?
And what constitutes lugging? Revs too low for the gear, but how low?

Sorry to be so ignorant.
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I would not call it ignorant...I think it is a perfectly relevent question.
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:13 PM   #3
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That is indeed a good question. I've keep wondering if people really do know WHY lugging is bad for a car, rather than just saying that its bad.

You should go here: http://www.standardshift.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5567

Its a good thread on the subject.

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OK, we're not supposed to lug the engine.
Why, how does it hurt the engine?
And what constitutes lugging? Revs too low for the gear, but how low?

Sorry to be so ignorant.

You'll know it when you do it. The car will buck like a bronco and make some awful lurches and noises. Press the clutch, downshift and try again.

Can't say this has happened recently, and I've never once looked at the tach -- but I'd guess in the 1200/1400 RPM range.
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Old 06-04-2010, 03:49 PM   #5
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The concept is pretty simple if you think about it. Shortly after startup all of our M96 moving parts are ideally floating on a thin coat of oil. Minimal metal to metal contact, minimal wear. When you put a heavy load on an engine at low rpm such as hard acceleration or climbing a hill you risk exceeding the ability of the oil to continue floating the parts and you get metal contact and excessive wear. Because the oil pump is tied to RPM, the lower the RPM the slower the oil replenish. When the engine load exceeds available oil replenish damage is done.

The severely lugged engine (bucking bronco) has gone far beyond overloading available lubrication, bearing surfaces are all on metal, and the motor will not turn over well enough to enable complete combustion causing detonation and further engine damage.

The simple solution is downshift to increase your oil replenish rate, float the internal moving parts and support the increased load. Our motors seem to be more sensitive to low RPM loading than most so unless I am at idle, coasting downhill, or approaching a stop with no engine load I rarely run my RPM below 2000.
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Old 06-05-2010, 12:21 PM   #6
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In general, smaller motors are easier to lug, ie not much torque down low in the RPM range.

It much harder to lug a Corvette for example, as they make lots of torque way down low in the range.

Either way, it is a bad thing, as your car will tell you pretty quickly.
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Old 06-06-2010, 05:06 AM   #7
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when my car is cold especially, I shift below 2k rpms and never hear an irregular engine sound.....i dont watch rpm too much unless its at the max side, i just listen for the engine
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why would someone drive their car like that ?
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