$1 a gallon gas this summer!!!!
 

Now that Obama's in office.... right? Rrrrrright....

Well at least our energy policy won't be "Cheney's secret"... Bush couldn't match today's crowd without another 911, those people are in Washington today in part due to Bush fatigue..

Depends. If he helps tank the economy even more, a buck might be about right.

Lets watch those Dems spend the money we don't have. Ought to be awesome.

:D

[QUOTE=Brucelee]Depends. If he helps tank the economy even more, a buck might be about right.

Lets watch those Dems spend the money we don't have. Ought to be awesome.

:D[/QUOTE]

Bush = double digit spending increases, whose money was he using?

Doesn't matter, we hate each other in this country, I'd be happy to see it divided back in half...

[QUOTE=EE3racing]
I was not referring to GWB, whose fiscal policies are not at issue. He is done, and in some sense, we might be too. I won't defend him but it is, what it is.


I am more worried about what WILL happen to us rather than the past. The US has a 50 Trillion IOU out there and it did not all happen on GWB's watch. Plenty of blame to go around. BO is getting to give me the old screw job, ie reduce SS income just as I think about getting to take it.

As far as hating any other part of this country, speak for yourself, not me.

:)

Bruce Lee...your type of comment keeps it going
 

The blame game.....assign fault and bias...make complex things simple.

You don't want things divided yet your inflaming comments about what the democrats are going to do does just that. As YOU said, plenty of blame to go around. We've spent a lot more than we've taken in in the last eight years. To Damn the people trying to figure out whats next is not admirable.

If you havent noticed, we have a few more problems than your SS right now, and we need some courageous and smart people to make the right moves. and by the way, I am a Republican.

Crash.

How is what I said inflamming? If you found it so, it might say more about you than me. What I said was that I fear what Obama might do. That is simply so. If you don't fear it, you don't. Fine with me.

I haven't dammed anyone. You need to go back and read what I wrote.

To me, my SS is important. I have paid into that system against my will for over 45 years, so I expect SOMETHING back. Do you suggest that this is some way inappropriate????? Should I just forget about it because BO thinks he has a better way?????


When you find the 'courageous and intelligent" people with the magic answer give me a call. I will be the first one to applaud.

However, having watched these pols for the better part of my life, I am appropriately skeptical.


:)

This is what I see, Bruce..hence my post
 

"Lets watch those Dems spend the money we don't have. Ought to be awesome"

"BO is getting to give me the old screw job"


Enough said

Everyone is acting like Obama is going to pull out his magic wand and everything is going to great. Our financial situation in this country is in the crapper and Obama is going to take another $750B and flush it down the toilet. When will the bleeding stop and let the nature progression of failure start? Let new company's start where these blood suckers left off.

Bailing out private company's is BS! If they failed to secure their company's future before, whose to say they won't blow this money? All they're going to do is shore up their retirement accounts that were lost in the market and then retire to some island, laughing all the way. And we the tax payer will be left with no jobs, no healthcare, no home and no one will give a ********************!

Brucelee, give'em hell.

Obama has already reneged on just about every promise he made on the campaign trail. Hmmm... another Politician merely telling us what we want to hear?

Change?? Seems like the only way to get a job in DC these days is to either be an ex-clinton staffer, or a tax cheat! Biden (2nd longest sitting member of the Senate) is change? Hillary (with no transparency of Foreign contributions to Bill's 'Foundation - just watch... this will be Obama's 'Haliburton') is change? Richardson is change? (ooops, I forgot, Richardson is under indictment...Obama's 1st scandal?) Panetta is change? Timothy Geithner, nominated as Sec. of Treasury (overall executive in charge of, amongst other things, the IRS, cheated on $34k in taxes) is change?

Prison at Gitmo decision delayed. War to continue, except this time in Afganistan (think Iraq is a 100 yr. war? Just ask any Soviet about Afganistan). Middle class tax cut - delayed. Bush Tax cuts (tax breaks for the Rich) - not repealed as promised, but instead will be allowed to expire in 2010...maybe. Chu (sec. of energy nominee) calling nuclear power 'evil', and on and on.

Admittedly, the country as a whole is despondent after 8 yrs. of GWB, justified or not (perspective), and the country was prepared to elect a blind, deaf, one-legged dog named 'Lucky' rather than any GOP candidate. But, the fact is that Obama is untested and insulated from criticism by the 'Race' cloak he wears. People are more enamored by the thought of Obama than actual fact... the realities bear this out.

Well, he has a lot to live up to, and a lot of problems to solve. Whatever your thoughts, he's the guy now and we all have to hope that he is up to the job - our futures depend on it!

Use your brain and the facts - not the soundbites and commentaries from network talking heads.

If he's up to the job, it will become apparent soon enough. If not, don't allow a herd mentality or racial guilt to blind you of that fact! Currently, you may support him or oppose him. But, only time will prove you right... or wrong.

If Obama wants a 2nd term (and what President doesn't), make him earn it, don't simply give him a pass because 'at least he's not GWB', that arguement now belongs to history.

I'm just excited to have a president that can speak well.

As a former physicist, it killed me to listen to the leader of the free world mis-pronounce the word nuclear (he said nu-cu-lar for 8 years, and either no one dared correct him, or he just didn't care that he was making us all look stupid).

Barack Obama is a really really smart guy, with a huge challenge ahead of him. I really believe he's going to do the right thing, and make the best of the situation we're in.

The joy of cheap gas
 

Dirt-Cheap Gas in 2009: Be Careful What You Wish For

http://www.alternet.org/story/119598/dirt-cheap_gas_in_2009:_be_careful_what_you_wish_for_/

BO has given a lot of people hope and that is good. It seems though, that his policies will turn this once proud country into a socialistic state and isn't that what we fought the last two world wars about. I am neither a R or a D but a Conserative. I was talking to a friend of mine who thinks that BO is better than God. I asked him where the money will come from to implement the proposals and he said that BO will just print more. I then asked him if debt and greed weren't some of the underlying causes of the Recession and the answer was ,"You can't stop now". So much for BO's supporters views. Ed

Like it or not, Obama is our President now. How about we give it a couple of years and then talk about the results of (or lack of) what he did instead of trying to talk about what you think (or what you want to think) he is going to do. The latter is purely a waste of time.

What I was doing with this thread guys is illustrating that it's pretty absurd to think that ONE MAN can influence the world economy.

When gas hits $3+ a gallon next time, on Obama's watch, you better believe I'm going to mention it to all of his supporters that previously blamed GW for the spike. I'm going to complain that Obama's "in bed" with the oil companies.

By the way, when GW let the off-shore drilling ban expire gas went down overnight... that's without even drilling. Opec does not want competition. Now wait untill "The grat one" puts the ban back in place... prices will go up... big deal, more tax $ for the government anyway right.

The problem is that govt. earns or produces no wealth!! Period... It only can confiscate it, under the threat of violence, then spend it on itself. Take the gas tax that was meant to maintain roads, bridges etc. It was removed from that dedicated fund and placed in the general fund for, WHAT? Salary increases and new "programs".

Socialism, Communism, Progressive Liberal Secularism, Environmentalism, all don't work. Been tried before all over the world. Put down the NYTimes and check out some history. This is the richest country on earth because people were free to pursue their own best interests thus creating a climate where others could also prosper. The "Rich" do the hiring and investing that creates jobs that create the wealth that govt. is so dependent upon for it's revenue. When was the last time a person was hired by a poor guy??? Anybody out there?

The reason Obama is being questioned is because he champions large govt. spending and Socialist ideas. Damn straight I and others will criticize that as we have a RIGHT to do so. I will wait and see what this pres. does in reality but I happen to believe what he says. I believed what both Bush pres said, from "Read my lips" to "No child left behind" and found them both wanting. The spending under both of these presidents went up. Clinton spent but not as much.

The worst thing was Pres. Johnson's raiding of the SocSec money to fund the "Great Society" which established the monstrous federal bureaucracy that we now enjoy. We certainly don't need more of that if we are to stay a free people. Obama seems to be proposing larger govt. We will wait and see.

AKL :(

The above is called a PREDICTION, based on what has been said so far by the Democratic party leaders and BO himself. I will be delighted if they prove me wrong and enact a sound economic and energy platform.

Color me cynical.

If that is damning someone, then so be it.

:)

The worst thing was Pres. Johnson's raiding of the SocSec money to fund the "Great Society" which established the monstrous federal bureaucracy that we now enjoy. We certainly don't need more of that if we are to stay a free people. Obama seems to be proposing larger govt. We will wait and see.

Yes, and instead of anyone thanking those of us who funded the "great society"
we are normally bashed and told, "you haven't done enough!"

Makes you want to give until it hurts, right?

As is most of politics, a waste of time.

However, when it comes to the matter of what Obama might do, I am more alert. Seems these polititicians take out money, very often we find out about it AFTER the fact.

So, I am staying on red alert. In the end, likely all I can do IS complain.

:D

Very valid points. On the price issue, S and D works, short and long term. I think you see that very clearly when folks decided they would or could not buy as much gas as they did previously. Price of oil is still in free fall. Good for us, bad for them.

If BO or anyone for that matter restricts supply in any way, the price will respond.

I do predict however, that BO will go for a huge tax increase on gas, citing the usual liberal litany of good reasons why this makes so much sense.

Hope I am wrong.

:)

Oil Prices plunge again.
 

Man, this must be pissing OPEC and the Russians off. Not to mention Chavez.







Jan. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil fell below $33 a barrel in New York as the strengthening dollar reduced the appeal of commodity investments at a time when demand is declining and stockpiles are rising.

At Cushing, Oklahoma, where the benchmark oil for New York futures is stored, inventories have climbed to 33 million barrels, the highest since records started four years ago. The February contract will cease trading today, so traders have to sell futures or accept the barrels at a time of falling demand.

“Traders are rolling over to the next month to avoid delivery and the dollar is rallying,” said Andrey Kryuchenkov, an analyst with VTB Capital in London. “All this against a background of falling demand and easing geopolitical tensions.”

So tell me, if he's so smart, why is he a smoker? Everyone knows smoking is bad for you right?

http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/ObamaSmoking.jpg

I like how Obama is the devil and the past doesn't matter anymore because it's in the past, that's very convenient. The president can't do everything they say they're gonna do and likewise they can't be blamed for everything, I'm talking about Barack and George, anyways it's interesting to see how much some people genuinely hate and despise someone that's only been in office a couple days and let alone someone they only know through the biased media they watch/read. I can't wait for someone to blame our failing economy on one man, regardless of who it is, it only flaunts ignorance.

I for one, did not say nor even imply that BO is the "devil" nor that I hated or despised him. He seems like a likeable enough guy. No one here has blamed our economy on one man. In fact, I would assert the beginnings of this economic malaise have been coming for many a year and there are tons of politicians to blame. Fact is, many people still believed that Bill Clinton balanced the Federal budget. Candidly, that did not happen although most "experts" assert that it did.

Having said that, I am still concerned (rightly so) that BO's inclinations are to spend money he does not have in hopes that things will turn out OK. He has also strongly implied that those of us who have been paying into SS for our entire lives are going to have to "sacrifice" a bit.

Ah, why? Can I have my money back with interest? If so, send me a check.

Perhaps a bit of government discipline is in order, finally?

Yes! But obama's legislative record both on Capitol Hill and the IL Statehouse indicate that he's not the man to do it. His history is one of a typical Tax & Spend pro-Big government democrat.

Those are the facts. Can he change? Maybe, but that's who he is at this point so my hopes are not high.

Even if BO has a change of heart, there are those Dem clods like Pelois, Feinstein, Boxer, Reid, Frank, Dodd, well, I could go on and on.

God, I long for the days of the amateur and part time politician. These lifetime pros are in a world all by themselves.

The inauguration cost $130M. Does ANYONE down there get it?

$1 a gallon? it's now or never. By this summer the credit markets should be capitalized at significantly higher levels than they are now. That means more play money for the institutional traders who rang up the price to historic levels in the first place. Given the losses they have sustained in 2008, they've got some money to make pronto. At $30 a buckett there's lots of leg stretching room, wouldn't surprise me to see a 100% increase in less than 10 months. These depressed prices can not be sustained forever, even with low demmand. All good things must come to an end.

I think that BO is sending us all free gas cards soon. At least, I think he is.

:D

Freebies (tax breaks for Exxon) was the last President... :D

Fascinating info
 

Who is surprised by the following?

Axis labels would help in the deciphering chores but I'm guessing your trying to show excess spending by Democrats. It's a laugh given the last 8 years and the results. It's even more comical that you clearly fall in the 20% that adore the biggest **************************** to ever walk erect. In my life Repubs have given me two crooked leaders Nixon & Bush, here's hoping the party of lunatic Christians is on the sidelines for a good long time.

I wasn't trying to communicate anything other than I found the data interesting and surprising.

Now, given the language and attitude that you exhibit, I am going to use my perogative to ban you from this forum.

Good bye and god bless.

Sorry the headings got cut off on this graph. These are Gallop poll approval ratings of the Presidents of the US from GWB back to Eisenhower.

I was surprised by some of the data.

:)

About ee3racing
 

While I do not condone the language or tone of ee3racing's post, I think banning him from the forum was inappropriate. The entire thread should have been banned. This forum is supposed to be about Boxsters. We need to keep it that way. If people start talking politics, they get hot at each other. This is natural and to be expected and as I read through it from the beginning, I wasn't really surprised that somebody started getting offensive. I think the entire topic should be deleted and ee3racing should be "unbanned" with a warning to watch his language in the future.

You know, I can take an a-hole being thrown around a time or two but when someone drops a comment like "here's hoping the party of lunatic Christians is on the sidelines for a good long time." that's going over the line. What does that make other party then?

There is really no need to inflame the rhetoric and I was doing my best to have fun, make points, and keep away from trouble. I will own that failure.

However, there have been several private messages that I have received and one post I deleted that were not very nice, shall we say.

Nuff said. Lets move on.

well said...

Non-lunatic Christians?

Bruce Lee having a bit of fun??
 

One might point out that you were the driver on this thread.......with like half of the first 30 posts on this topic. Maybee you thought you were keeping it light and fun...but others obviously didn't. The best point, lets move on and get back to Boxsters.

This thread wasn't started in the best of lights, I don't agree with the banning either. I do understand where you stand Brucelee as far as SS and I'm with you on that, however I find it difficult to understand how anyone can bash the person that's supposed make America better when they've only been in office one day and don't know them personally enough to make the accusations they make, I'm of course talking about a variety of different people, here and in real life. Bush ran the country to what he felt was best for it, while I don't agree with everything or most of what he did I respect the reason why he did it, much like I will respect what Obama does, because he too will do what HE thinks is best for his and our country and anyone that's sensible enough should respect it aswell, whether they agree or not it has to be understood that not everyone thinks the same...

Bottom line as I see it is, just give the guy the bennefit of doubt, there's always going to be the radical ignorance present in those that just won't keep an open mind or care enough to know both sides, the ones that think there's going to be a magical savior that's going to think identically to them, no matter what party, and I trust no one here is that way... Anyways, talking politics gets no where, we might as well talk about abortion or religion because well be in the same predicament. Opinions cannot be supported by facts, because they no longer can be called opinions...

If anything, this thread should be locked and forgotten forever before it really gets out of hand...

PS.. I agree with SparkyCrash...