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Brucelee 01-03-2005 09:09 AM

I bought a Boxster because......
 
Reasons?

porsche986 01-03-2005 10:30 AM

I bought a Boxster because...... I got a free Mcdonalds happy meal with every Boxster purchased. lol


I bought a boxster because..... I became self employed and wanted something special. I saw a TV show with a boxster on and i looked around at the porsche showroom and it blew me away. I never actually test drove my car untill i picked it up and even now in 2005 i still get the same buzz from the day i picked it up so many years ago.
When i picked it up i didnt expect the amount of attention comming home, EVERYONE was looking. Now i have come used to it of course the kids from 5 year old to 17 year old really like it and thumbs up all the time, the age from 20 - 30 i get verbal abuse which in my view they are trying to say, nice car i wish i had one. I think the 986 is just GREAT! no matter what year.

Brucelee 01-03-2005 10:59 AM

I would agree with you here, awesome car.

Adam 01-03-2005 11:31 AM

I got the car because it is the benchmark by which all other roadsters are measured. It doesn't do anything poorly and excels at almost everything.

Stryke 01-03-2005 11:59 AM

I couldn't afford a 996 Turbo at the time! :D

Brucelee 01-03-2005 12:03 PM

From a handling perspective, it is hard to fine a better vehicle.

F1CAR4ME 01-03-2005 12:41 PM

I fell in love with it on the test drive. I even remember where it happened exactly - the switchback on the on-ramp on I-290 from Main street. Settled down in the car, about 75 degrees and sunny, top down, hearing the sound of the intake to the left and behind my head. I just had to have it. Honda S2000s immediately ceased to exist.

Perfectlap 01-03-2005 01:03 PM

my last car was a Miata with many mods.
I was intent on never owning another tin top as my daily driver,
and neither would I ever own a car with more than two seats.
Excellent handling was a must along with low weight.
There were really very few choices honestly, the S2000 before the torque increase wasn't really appealing anymore (although bang for the buck its tops).
The Lotus is just ridiculus expensive for a 1.8 toyota engine. The TT convertible and Nissan Z violate my rule of "retrofitted" roadsters. The (3 liter I think) Z4 was interesting but resale value had me concerned with so many mixed reactions. Sadly not a single US car in the bunch.

Carrera GT no contest.....but that waiting list??? forget it!! :)
(btw, Carrera GT weighs as much as a Boxster...sick!)

my Boxster musts
1. S (need that 3.2 engine note)
2. Less than 15,000 miles
3. Silver with Red interior, would've of settled for yellow but I REALLY didn't want to deal with a black interior again, yellow and red..mmmmm.
4. manual trans (no compromise)

Subanez 01-03-2005 02:33 PM

I drove a Boxster along the coast of NH this past summer on a whim with a buddy of mine after stopping by a dealership.

I have always loved Porsches, but this blew me away.

A month later I owned one, much to the dismay of my finances.

But I gladly pay to be able to drive a car that makes me smile everytime I have to get up and go to work. A friend of mine asked me the other day if I ever minded driving so much...and the fact is, I will always prefer to drive, no matter what...I love it. :)

Brucelee 01-03-2005 06:05 PM

"Honda S2000s immediately ceased to exist."

Indeed. I have a neighbor with one of these and it is so tiny! I have to laugh.

Brucelee 01-03-2005 06:07 PM

The S is the way to go if you have the coin!

RandallNeighbour 01-03-2005 06:21 PM

I bought a boxster because the first day I saw one on Interstate 10 in 1997 I turned to my wife and said "now THAT's the best looking Porsche I've ever seen... I gotta get one of those."

And just seven short years later, I was able to afford that 1997 Boxster and got one.

Adam 01-03-2005 06:25 PM

S2k's are an awesome sports car for the money even though they may be a tad cramped. Atleast 20k less than a boxster s and almost identical performance to boot. It would probably eat 2.5L's alive at the track when driven by equally skilled drivers, especially one with long straights. Plus, they seem to hold there value well.

Brucelee 01-03-2005 06:31 PM

I would disgree on the Honda. NO low end, have to rev it like a motorcycle. Cheap looking to boot.

Just my opinion.

Adam 01-03-2005 06:39 PM

I think it's kinda neat that it makes power up so high in the rev range. I wish the fun didn't stop at 7,200 on mine. BMW makes 6 cylinder engines that rev to 8K rpm and make 333hp or 343 in Europe and still hold decent torque down low. Porsche needs to quit sandbagging on it's engines or maybe get some tips from BMW.

Brucelee 01-03-2005 08:15 PM

I don't think 240 HP from a 2.7L engine is sandbagging. Having said that, I don't think Porsche is about winning the HP race. Afterall, you can buy a 400 HP Corvette for about 42K. The overall balance and handling of a Boxster is pretty hard to beat.

Adam 01-03-2005 09:24 PM

240hp is nothing to sneeze at, but the honda's lil' 2.0L and now 2.2L 4 banger can crank out just as much hp, albeit less torque, but still very impressive. At the rate Porsche is increasing hp they will never catch up to it's serious competitors. 4 hp here 8 hp there is rediculous. Look at the base C5 to the C6...now a 50hp gain is more like it. Who can feel an 8 hp gain anyway? After taking a ride in a 2002 Zo6 I sometimes second guess my decision to get a boxster s. The acceleration is just brutal and almost scary. It makes my "S" feel as fast as a Metro. Boxster owners are always talking about handling and balance, but the majority of the cars never see an autocross or racetrack. How much handling and balance do people really experience during the daily commute, quick trip to the store, or the cruises around the neighborhood? Where I live you can push the cars acceleration limits alot more than it's cornering limits during alittle cruise time in the car. The best curves in my area consist of on/off interstate ramps. There is no racetrack near me and pushing the cornering limits of my car on public roads is just asking for trouble. I've participated in one autocross and that was fun but hardly enough. I'm not going to be able to do another one until June if I'm lucky. I guess the point is why buy a great handling car when most of the roads around are straight! It makes more sense to buy a fast car like a C6 where you can utilize it's fantastic power EVERYTIME you drive the car.

Lux 01-03-2005 10:16 PM

I used to drive an E36 M3. 240hp/225tq and geared aggressively. Loved the car. When it was time to move on, I wanted something that was everything the M3 was...and a little more. Obvious choice was the E46 M3. Unfortunately, along with its bigger motor came bigger dimensions and bigger weight. It lost its nimbleness.

Having 2 friends with a C5 vert and a C5 Z06, I got to know Corvettes well. They are nice cars for a nice price. I almost bought a C5 Z06 myself. But a little bit of quality (what the C5 lacks in..especially interior) goes a long way in a daily driver for me. Also, the Boxster is quite a bit more nimble. The C5 (and C6) have a fairly long wheelbase for a sports car. The turning radius is 40 feet! That's friggen huge. I had a Mustang GT in high school and it also had a 40ft turning radius. I couldn't make U turns on some streets. Not very nimble. But on the track the Z06 will annihilate the Boxster...you'll get no arguments from me about that.

The S2K doesn't offer anything I'm looking for. A tendency for snap oversteer at the limit, a torque deficient motor, and a cheap interior that's more spartan than their Civic line. The Boxster S has more torque at 2K rpms than the S2K has at peak.!!! Like the Corvettes, more torque equals better driveability. Driven at 10/10ths the S2K is close in performance to the Boxster S. But driven below that and the performance drops off considerably.

I somewhat disagree with Adam in that I use the Boxster's nimble handling every day. I do a lot of city driving and having a "point 'n shoot" car is almost a necessity.

aglsteven 01-03-2005 11:47 PM

My turn,
I've always liked Porsche's. My friend had an MX-5 and I wanted a convertible. We needed a second car and I worked out what I could afford. I saw a local Porsche specialist in Melbourne - Weltmeister, who told me he would look out for one. Two months later he rang to say he had found the car I was going to buy. On the following Sunday I looked through the window and knew he was telling the truth. I collected the keys two weeks later and haven't looked back.

Like everybody on this board I am always really pleasantly surprised by the positive reactions I get from passers-by and other motorists. Boxsters are and will always be far more special than say a 350Z or a TT or S2k or a Z4.

BTW, don't you think the TT is looking very old fashioned all of a sudden?

F1CAR4ME 01-04-2005 05:00 AM

I drove a VTEC Integra for almost six years, and an RSX type-S for a year and a half after that. The high revving character of a VTEC engine is fantastic - it's a sound and character you're not likely to get on the low side of a Ferrari F355. The Integra GS-R, in particular, was a fantastic car.

The problem with the VTEC engines is that they're not much fun on the street. On the track, when you can use the gearbox to keep the motor in the powerband all the time without the cops giving chase it's perfect. On the street, you can never hit that 8,000-9,000 RPM range in any gear but first, and there's no low end on those motors. So where the Boxster has pickup from - and is fun to drive at - pretty much any rpm range from 2,500 rpm up, those Hondas/Acuras are 2nd gear cars only on the street :(

Subanez 01-04-2005 06:41 AM

I hear you F1CAR4ME...all I have to say is B18C5. :) That was my last car. ::sniff::

Brucelee 01-04-2005 07:02 AM

"The problem with the VTEC engines is that they're not much fun on the street. On the track, when you can use the gearbox to keep the motor in the powerband all the time without the cops giving chase it's perfect. On the street, you can never hit that 8,000-9,000 RPM range in any gear but first, and there's no low end on those motors. So where the Boxster has pickup from - and is fun to drive at - pretty much any rpm range from 2,500 rpm up, those Hondas/Acuras are 2nd gear cars only on the street "

Bingo! The same goes for the VTEC motorcycle. I have a VFR and it is a great bike. However, the later versions had the VTEC motor and I rode one and hated it. My current VFR has nice low end torque and in everyday riding is much more pleaurable than the newer model, that DOES have more power over 8000 rpm.

RE: C5, I love the car, have owned several and sold many more. It is simply not the same car and I think few Porsche and Corvette owners swap cars over time. The C5 and 6 are brutes and totally fun to drive. But it is a very large car and much more crude in the way it gets things done.

Of course, if you are a dealer like me, you CAN have both and I often do, so I have a nice way to compare.

I had an S2000 once and was unimpressed. Too much work to go fast!

Perfectlap 01-04-2005 07:35 AM

Well the Vtec makes the s2000 very good as a commuter in terms of paying less at the pump. But that seems like a compromised sports car to me.
Also the early S2000's are really lacking in torque. This is completely lost on most people. THe instatnt you take off in an Boxster S you feel the torque. If I'm not mistaken it puts down 80% of its torque well before 4 RPM's. That's sick feeling as a driver.

Perhaps the 04 S2000 can come close to that but I haven't gotten behind the wheel of one. Torque is also vital in gear changes where horsepower isn't as relevant.
Which is to say nothing of the steering of the Boxster. I'm not sure how different it is from the S but this truly is WORLD CLASS steering. which you feel almost instantly. The S2000 doesn't have the same degree of that weighty satifying feel.
Also the engine note of Boxster S is similar to a lear jet taking off from a runway while the s2000 sound like well a (non-ducati) motorcycle.

Besides I have known several former Boxster S owners who now drive 911 (including a GT3) and all have nothing but positive things to say, basically a stepping stone to the sportscar that owns the Nurburg ring.

Adam, sorry to hear you live in the flat lands. The Boxster is an EXCELLENT city driving car. I run 3rd gear circles around NYC taxis. Corvette has to work on their image, maybe start pushing their international racing accomplishments. In France they line up to hear the C5 at the start of the 24 hrs of LeMans. Big image problem here in America. Those hideous interiors are a good place to start.

Adam 01-04-2005 08:10 AM

It's no biggie, I just wish I didn't live in the middle of a cornfield sometimes. The only curvy backroads around here basically require 4wd or a pickup. I'm envious of all you guys that have good roads to drive your boxsters on. On a side note, the boxster has a less extreme form of V-tec called vario-cam right?

Subanez 01-04-2005 08:18 AM

Yea, you got it...I'm not sure when porsche introduced it, but I think all of their engines handle it. Its sort of like VTEC, except where VTEC is a "on and off" switch around 5-6K RPMs, Porsche's vario cam adjusts the timing throughout the rev range to give it flatter curves in torque and horsepower.

In my old VTEC Integra, you could literally feel a kick in the butt when the VTEC kicked in. While that was fun, when you're hitting 5,700 RPMS in second gear, you're already at near highway speeds...and the torque below this magic threshold made the lesser "non-VTEC" integras more fun to simply drive around in. Some people even did a frankenstein converstion where they took the VTEC head off the Honda engine and mated it to the NON-VTEC Block, calling it the "LS-VTEC" engine...which was the best of both worlds, but you had better know what you are doing if you try to do this.

But yes, to answer your question, that's what vario-cam is...a more controlled and sophisticated version of VTEC. (Which stands for Variable Timing and Electronic lift Control)

-Kevin

Subanez 01-04-2005 08:31 AM

Here's a quick link that explains VarioCam:

http://content3.us.porsche.com/prod/boxster/boxsters.nsf/usaenglish/engine_transmissionvariocam

There's also a newer version called VarioCam Plus that's used in the 911s.

Adam 01-04-2005 08:35 AM

I see. I have never driven a V-tec honda powered car so can't compare unfortunately. I need to borrow or at least get a ride in one sometime. I do know that my box s has pretty decent power pretty much anywhere north of 3k rpm but at alittle past 5K rpm it takes on a new aggressive character as the engine intake/exahust really start to come alive and the thrust level increases substantially. It's a pretty cool event. It seems especially noticiable in 3rd gear acceleration. I assume this is when the engine switches to the more aggressive cam profiles. The engine has 4 cams right? I know the Carrera engines are a 4 cam engine.

F1CAR4ME 01-04-2005 09:33 AM

Well to continue the Honda-Boxster comparisons, I can say that coming from a VTEC car the high-end of the Boxster is somewhat anti-climactic. It pulls hard up until about 6500 RPM and then falls off, while in the Hondas you can easily hit the rev limiter because power climbs all the way to the redline. The flip side to that is that they feel like you granny's civic unless you rev the snot out of them.

Honda also has every manufacturer in the world beaten hands-down when it comes to making manual transmissions. It's honestly the one part of my Boxster I wish I could swap with the Integra's 5-speed.

As far as VTEC vs VarioCam, I wouldn't call either system "better", they're simply different design solutions to the same objective.

I have a lot of respect for Honda. Their engineering is top notch. They pack a lot of technology into a low priced product. Their success is racing speaks for itself. In fact, I can't remember Honda participating in a series where it wasn't eventually competitive at the highest levels.

Jeannot 01-04-2005 09:51 AM

Doesnt the variocam+ also exist on the post 2002 boxsters?

Anyway, to the original question:
Originally wanted a 996 (which I drove), but then wanted a cabrio...and when it comes to cabrio...the boxster S was a much better choice. I test drove it and that was it.

Honda? No, never. Only German cars for me anyway. And no 4 cyls either!
I drove the 2K for an hour. Hmmh...no, not for me :-)

Adam: come in Switzerland, we have wonderful twisties roads...to the point you wish you'd see a straight line of more than a half a mile again :-)

Perfectlap 01-04-2005 10:04 AM

ok see if you can follow this logic.

I wanted a convertible AND I wanted a Porsche.
But I wanted the convertible more than I wanted the Porsche
a 911 convertible seemed almost unethical.
a 911 Targa is more acceptable.

So the only choice really is a Boxster (S).

gardjea 01-04-2005 10:17 AM

Do agree with you ... Even if the Boxster is less powerfull the fun you could have with a engine in the central position is really great !!!
About the headlights on the 987/997 most of the people really enjoy the design similar to the previous generation ... and the frog eyes is really typical from porsche ..

Perfectlap 01-04-2005 11:29 AM

the frog eyes is far far too similar to Volkwagen beetles. I know VW and Porsche are cousins but the past is past!
The other night I was driving and my passenger said
"look another Boxster, an orange one!" when the car drove past us it was Beetle convertible!

:mad:

Porsches and Volkwagens should never look similar

Brucelee 01-04-2005 02:38 PM

As a guy who has a 911 and a Boxster S, I can tell you the S is the more fun car to drive fast. The 911 has serious engine grunt but the rear engine has to be paid attention to or you can get into some interesting situations.

From my perspective, the is just the best handling car out there.

Ad Sach 01-04-2005 04:15 PM

I wanted a convertible - my last convertible was a '76 X1/9 .

I test drove pretty much every convertible that wasn't in the Caddy/Lead sled category. The Viper was a hoot to drive but there was no refinement. When I drove the Ferrari 308 - part of me went "this is Ferrari?" but my face got this big old grin and I realized it was all about the mid-engine magic. So I went down to the Porsche dealership and had a serious discussion about my needs and he took me out in Boxster S w/030 suspension and 18" wheels - magic. 17" wheels and standard suspension - less magic. After months of looking I snagged a ride in a new M3 convertible - no magic. S2000, Panoz, SLK - no magic.

I ordered my Boxster in Oct 2001 and am truly amazed that a car has had this much impact on my life. We are quite possibly companions for life.

Perfectlap 01-04-2005 04:32 PM

wow no magic from the S2000? I guess its hard to tell when you have the salesman in the car. That didn't stop my friend from driving a Cooper S flat out with the sales guy holding onto the "oh **************** handle" with both hands. crazy guy.

porsche986 01-04-2005 04:36 PM

i agree, the new headlight are the same as a VW beattle.
Why change in the first place....

ad sach, i also have a bmw m3 and i find it quite quick. its a nice drive but i know what you mean, the boxster is much better for driving, but the m3 has 4 seats :)

Brucelee 01-05-2005 06:09 AM

You gotta love the M3. Very nice car and because it is German, kinda of pricey!

PAH 01-05-2005 08:02 AM

I bought my Boxster because I needed a replacement for my MG (below). The warranty had run out, and this was a car with constant problems - 35 trips back to the dealership in less than 3 years. I wanted something reliable, fast, and with a reputation for being the best. The Boxster filled that requirement perfectly.

Not only that - I always wanted a Porsche since I was little!!

porsche986 01-05-2005 08:35 AM

Paul did you part ex your MG toward the boxster.

nice picture by the way... i tried that once and the farmer started chasing me in his landrover lol

I am going to spend summer getting some good pics...

Adam 01-05-2005 06:30 PM

I know what some of you guys mean about the new beatle. It was dark out and I could have sworn a 996/986 was coming torward me but it ended up being a beatle. That was kinda a let down. Jeannot, I think you are right about newer boxsters having vario-plus whatever that means. I read something about slightly better fuel consumption that's attributed to the plus. I wonder if the that also accounts for the slight hp bump the more recent boxsters have seen?


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