02-27-2008, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Kill
I am not making a judgment on what the guy did. I don’t know enough about it to make a judgment. I just found the irony kind of funny that he won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work in Vietnam at the same time he was instituting bombing raids and having people killed over there. Right or wrong, that’s just funny - kind of like Libya being elected to chair the UN Human Rights Body…
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Funny indeed.
I do think the Arafat prize dumped Nobel in the crapper.
The guy was one of the great terrorist/murderers of all time.
Hey, give peace a chance, right?
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02-27-2008, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Brucelee
Funny indeed.
I do think the Arafat prize dumped Nobel in the crapper.
The guy was one of the great terrorist/murderers of all time.
Hey, give peace a chance, right?

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Yea, well you know what they say: " Yesterday's Terrorist becomes tomorrow's Freedom Fighter".
Happens all the time. Arafat is certainly a case in point, not to mention any number of ex-Israelli Prime Ministers, Ho Chi Mihn, and oh yea - Geo. Washington!
@ Dr. Kill - it's all good!
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02-27-2008, 06:24 PM
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Ironic.posted today
Tuesday we told you about several areas around the planet experiencing record cold and snowpack — in the face of all the predictions of global warming.
Now there is word that all four major global temperature tracking outlets have released data showing that temperatures have dropped significantly over the last year. California meteorologist Anthony Watts says the amount of cooling ranges from 65-hundredths of a degree Centigrade to 75-hundreds of a degree.
He says that is a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. Watts says it is the single fastest temperature change ever recorded — up or down.
Some scientists contend the cooling is the result of reduced solar activity — which they say is a larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases.
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02-27-2008, 09:43 PM
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I'm not a fan of cold weather, but I wouldn't mind if we could've taken some of that snow off your hands. We haven't had a decent snow in a couple years here in central VA. I live at the bottom of a pretty steep hill, so I miss those days of sledding down it...memories :ah:
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02-28-2008, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Brucelee
Would you agree that cold temperatures and snow are PART of the Earth's climate? It seems that heat and other natural manifestations of climate are used as evidence of GW. Why could not cold temps suggest that the warming is well, not acually happening?
Just a radical thought, never get published on CNBC or CNN. 
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What I will acknowledge is:
a) the MORE cold it is, the LESS likely it is to snow
b) if there is any truth to global warming it is going to present itself in long term trends, not yearly fluctuations. Anyone who believes that an abnormally warm year or an abnormally cold year proves or disproves the concept of global warming shouldn't be involved in the conversation.
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02-28-2008, 07:05 AM
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I drove with the top down today, almost 70 degrees (sorry)
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California huh, I think I'd rather have the snow.
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02-28-2008, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jump
What I will acknowledge is:
a) the MORE cold it is, the LESS likely it is to snow
b) if there is any truth to global warming it is going to present itself in long term trends, not yearly fluctuations. Anyone who believes that an abnormally warm year or an abnormally cold year proves or disproves the concept of global warming shouldn't be involved in the conversation.
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Of course no one is implying that this winter PROVES anything.
However, that standard should apply BOTH ways.
Every climate related event that is negative is chalked up to GW. A bad storm the CA wildfires, hurricanes etc. The hysterics are not coming from the GW doubters. I would hope you would agree with that point.
What is good for the goose .........
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02-28-2008, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Brucelee
Of course no one is implying that this winter PROVES anything.
However, that standard should apply BOTH ways.
Every climate related event that is negative is chalked up to GW. A bad storm the CA wildfires, hurricanes etc. The hysterics are not coming from the GW doubters. I would hope you would agree with that point.
What is good for the goose ......... 
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I think that there are hysterics from the GW doubters as well (surprisingly hateful at times) but I'd agree that there are plenty on the other side who aren't doing anybody any good with blaming every little thing on GW. That needs to stop. Unfortunately, the media needs to sensationalize everything for ratings. One of the downsides of a free press.
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02-28-2008, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jump
I think that there are hysterics from the GW doubters as well (surprisingly hateful at times) but I'd agree that there are plenty on the other side who aren't doing anybody any good with blaming every little thing on GW. That needs to stop. Unfortunately, the media needs to sensationalize everything for ratings. One of the downsides of a free press.
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Well, if you are going to start bashing the media, hey, OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I KNEW we could agree on something.
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03-09-2008, 11:21 AM
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"Took this pic today, it has since snowed more...."
Posted by ohioboxster.
Yeah, you can damn sure say that again. First came the ice...
Then the snow...
This year I have to say I am as ready for spring as I have EVER been in my life. One more shot: What I'm drivin' now, and what I hope to be drivin' as soon as possible...
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03-09-2008, 02:28 PM
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60 hrs until I take off for 4 days of golf in Temecula, CA. :dance: :dance: :dance:
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03-09-2008, 09:11 PM
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Your car looks pretty nice. That new color is a Must. Orange, Black and WHITE makes nice contrast. Snow up here (Quebec) is terrible. It snows untill november. Sometimes we have to get out by windows to clear doors. Anyway, I took time this winter to carry modifications on my S. I sent pics on Performance talks under intercooler Forum. If you guys are interested, send me comments or recommendations.
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60 hrs until I take off for 4 days of golf in Temecula, CA. :dance: :dance: :dance:
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03-09-2008, 09:32 PM
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So much for global warming...
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03-10-2008, 06:25 AM
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I think its kind of funny to say that because we have a strong winter that there's nothing to GW. I'm no scientist but that seems to be a bit of a simplification.
If anything its the extreme fluctuation of weather patterns that raises concerns.
It's not as simple as putting an ice cube under heat lamps.
The Earth has a natural equilibrium and I believe it takes quiet a bit to knock it off that perfect rythym. But once you have reached that 'breaking point' (like 2+ billion people in China, India duping fossil fuels into one concentrated area) man made pollutants can make a difference. The resulting effects will NOT be on minor scale.
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