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these are the people that piss me off!!!
HERES a quote my Cuz sent to my from the G35/350z forum
o. People would pick the Porsche because it's a "Porsh" (intentional; nobody ever pronounces it correctly). People would pick the Porsche because it's a Porsche. When someone buys a Boxster, Cayman, or Cayenne, they buy it for the name (The Cayman and Cayenne S's are a different story). They don't buy it because it's a real Porsche, because honestly, it isn't. Porsche's name is about a race car built for the street. In other words, the 911 or Carrera GT. The people that buy the Cayman, Boxster, or Cayenne buy them because of the big "PORSCHE" emblem stuck on the front and rear. Not because they're high performance vehicles. Granted, they're extremely capable vehicles, and are nice in their own right, but nevertheless, they are not anywhere near the same level as a 911. In the end, though, they're just cars with the Porsche emblem. You want a Boxster? Fine. Buy a Boxster. But get used to the real "car guys" calling you a poser for buying the poor man's "Porsche". It's like the 944. Not a real Porsche. Just a rebadged Volkswagen. And by the way; Boxsters look nothing like 911s. They look like cheap Porsches. Want the "Porsche Effect"? Go buy a real one. Until then, get used to people calling you a poser. Boxsters are not real Porsches. 911s are real Porsches. You have no clue what you are talking about. screw them i love boxsters :D |
I would not trade mine for another watercooled Porsche except a GT3/GT3RS. I have no love for the 996/997TT and the 997GT2 is fugly IMHO.
OK a Cayman powered by a 3.6 from a GT3 would also have me. I had mine for sale for 2 weeks until I went and sat in a ZO6. No thanks GT3 or nothin' . So in short ou guy's are stuck with me. :cheers: |
ooo hell no, more poser stuff.
hahha yeah were all posers, and know nothing about cars, i wish we all drove nissans :dance: |
I kicked a lot of ass in a 944. Idiots in the USA think it's all about how fast you can get outa the hole, I guess that's what the five oh Mustang thought when he lit up his brakes for a curve and got his ass handed to him by a lowly 944.
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The infamous car guy argument. How cute. Of course they've never actually driven a Boxster.
Okay not exactly on topic but I found this and have to share. A CRX with corvette lights and huge spoiler. Awesome! :rolleyes: http://www.japanesesportcars.com/gal...ia/114/041.jpg |
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What a load of crap ... people like that make me want to, well, :barf:
This person has not a clue what they're talking about. Not only that, but they bash the 944, which was a very capable car in its day. Even by today's standards it holds its own, I enjoyed an '85 944 as my first car and used it as a daily driver for nearly 4 years 'till I picked up my Boxster. "Poor man's Porsche" or a true machine built to last? I say both the 944 & Boxster are wonderful machines that have created, for me, a love affair that will last a lifetime. |
I think this calls for a popcorn maker :D :D :D
You should post this on that forum *taken from Bruce's post* AUTOMOBILE Magazine Reveals 2008 All-Stars Winners Compare Specs, Pictures and Prices - New Car Buyers Guide LOS ANGELES--AUTOMOBILE Magazine, America’s leading automotive lifestyle publication, today announced the winners of its 2008 AUTOMOBILE MAGAZINE All-Stars Awards, delivering an exclusive selection of vehicles at the top of their class. Porsche Boxster/Cayman – If you’re afraid people will think you bought a Cayman because you can’t afford a 911, we hereby inform you that those people are fools.[B][COLOR=Red] The Boxster and the Cayman are exquisite to drive, with steering so communicative you’ll feel more of the road’s surface only if you crawl along it on your hands and knees. Few cars are as entertaining to drive at school-zone speeds. Criteria and Evaluation The AUTOMOBILE MAGAZINE All-Stars are chosen by the AUTOMOBILE MAGAZINE staff, its worldwide bureau chiefs, and its contributors, following an intensive test drive of the year’s most innovative and important new cars. Vehicles considered for the All-Stars awards combine the following traits: Redefines an existing category or creates a new market segment Provides excellent value and performance for the money Exhibits an exceptional design Offers pure driving enjoyment After a 1000-mile road trip, winners are determined by a round-table discussion that results in a vote for the ten winners. The award decisions are not made through an instrumented test process. About AUTOMOBILE Magazine AUTOMOBILE Magazine, part |
These are a bunch of people that have never driven a Porsche, hate Porsche's because they don't have one, and feel that insulting people will make them feel better about not having a Porsche.
I have nothing against 350Z or other cars, but them calling us posers when there driving Japanese rice rockets that mimic, real sports cars, like any Porsche is just pathetic. I hate people who say it's a, "poor man's Porsche," at least it isn't a poor man's car. I don't normally get this upset, and I would never say the above unless I was talking to some jerk. Let's see how they like it when we insult there cars. Also, my dad had a 944 for 16 years, it was a great car, and by no stretch of the imagination a poor man's Porsche. :cheers: |
The dude's not totally wrong. There certainly are some people who would buy a Boxster just because it's a Porsche. Throwing a blanket over all Boxster owners and calling them all posers is just wrong though. Saying it's not a real Porsche just shows he hasn't actually driven one! These cars are truly amazing to drive.
Honestly when I bought my Boxster I got it because I'm a car guy and wanted a sexy, well performing, rear drive car. As such the standard Boxster, although still a great car, was not really an option for me, so I got an S. I was quite surprised at people's reactions. Other people obviously cared more about the fact that it was a Porsche than I did!!! I appreciate the good looks, performance, and as an engineer myself, especially appreciate the fine German engineering and design of the Boxster. Personally I would prefer that people look at my car and appreciate it for what it is rather than who makes it. I would like people to see me drive by and think, "Wow, cool car, what kind is that?". This weekend I finally finished debadging my car. I've got a carbon fiber hood with no hood crest. I've got aftermarket wheels with no Porsche center cap (used to have nice colored ones), and this weekend I took off the Boxster rear trunk badge. I did keep the "S" though. I repainted it bright red and mounted it back in the center/bottom of the rear trunk. The only thing exterior on my car that says Porsche now are the red brake calipers... Oh well, it should still keep 'em guessing. :) hehehe |
Fellas, fellas, before you guys get all upset. Let's think about this. Thie original post came from a Nissan forum, right? Maybe these guys are on to something. Maybe we're such Pooorsh posers that we've been blinded by the nameplate and don't even realize that our money would be much better spent on the far superior Nissan automobile.
Let's compare... Bottom of the line Porsche... http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...1/untitled.jpg Bottom of the line Nissan... http://ppgmedia.buysell.com/ppgphoto...05-display.jpg Pretty nice. Let's look at the top of the line... Top of the line Porsche... http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...arrera20GT.jpg Top of the line Nissan... http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...white350z2.jpg Okay, okay. How about their trucks? Nissan is known for their trucks, right? Porsche truck... http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ccayenne-1.jpg Nissan truck... http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ol0513_020.jpg See! It's just as I suspected! You guys jumped the gun. Nissan is the clear winner here. I'm headed out to the dealer right now. You think they make that killer truck in a hybrid? |
Can someone go to G35/350z forum and knock the senses out of them :D :D :D
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I tested both the 350Z & the G35 before deciding to go for the Boxster.
They are NOT just 'rice rockets' that mimic real sports cars like Porsches. The 350Z is an outstanding car which handles extremely well, is powerful & quick and is a real alternative to the Boxster/Z4/TT group of sports cars. They have great build integrity & no IMS or RMS problems. The G35 is pretty much a 350Z with back seats. I can't believe people on Porsche forums bash the 350Z with racist 'rice' comments & people on 350Z forums bash the Boxster for 'not being a real Porsche' Nothing much wrong with either of them. It's just horses for courses. Not everyone will have the same tastes. In the end the Boxster fitted my criteria more than the 350Z/G35 did, but so what? Does it mean I'm a poser for not buying a real Porsche? Does it make me NOT a REAL driving enthusiast for considering teh 350Z/G35? I'm just pleased that manufacturers such as Nissan can be bothered to make cars as focussed & as sporting in nature as the 350Z these days, especially when rivals, Toyota, Mazda & Honda have no current alternatives. (no decent Supra? weak RX-8? & no NSX?) I'm also pleased that Porsche make an amazing range of 'affordable' sports cars to sit below their expensive (well, too expensive for me anyways!) 911 range. If manufacturers have to build Cayenne's or Sentra's or Altima's or whatever else to be able to fund development & manufacture of the cars do I like then so be it. I'm not about to judge them for that or judge the people who buy them. . |
I think I will sleep just fine tonight.
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Grizzly, I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.
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My wife has a 2004 G35 6MT coupe. I've got a 2000 986 S. The G35 is a nice car, but it's no Porsche (Boxster or otherwise). The get-up-and-go is there, and it looks fine, but the build quality just ain't the same. :) She's got a creak/pop coming from the rear of the car that Infinity has a TSB for. The dealer has had the car twice and can't solve the problem. On top of that, bits in the interior that are painted plastic that I know will delaminate eventually. I guess the soft-touch Porsche interior is kind of like this, but not really. I like her car, and I'm glad she's got it. It's nice to have something like that with a trunk and plenty of cargo space, but she'll NEVER keep up in the twisties!
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One day maybe Michael Dell will make enough money to buy a 911, until then he'll have to make do with his poor man's Porsche :D
http://www.forbesautos.com/advice/toptens/billionaire/10-michael_dell.html |
Boxster owners seem to get bashed from every angle and camp.
The 911 air cooled boys say it's not a real Porsche if it has a radiator or the engine isn't hanging out the back. At some point, you just gotta decide what you drive is fine because it was your choice. |
Calling a 350 ZX names is the same as calling a Boxster names.
Surely we have more important things to do than to respond to the posts like the original? I can't imagine why what someone else thinks of my car matters should matter to me? :D |
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Grizzly, your post is awesome, thanks for the good laugh.
Back to reality, until one of these so called "real car guys" has the balls to say I'm a poser to my face for driving a Boxster, there is nothing for me to sweat. ;) |
oh well, people have the right to have their stupid opinions. i find it funny how guys bash each other on what they drive...i don't care what people think of me when they see me in the Boxster because i drive it for myself because I enjoy driving it! On the other hand, I kinda have to agree with Kirk, there's some people who would buy a Boxster just because it's a Porsche so they can tell people they drive a "Porsche". I know a few people like this but i don't really care about them because they're just as ignorant as the person on the Nissan forums.
I've been around Porsches all my life as my dad collects them and I get just as excited driving my "bottom of the line" Porsche as i do driving my dad's "top of the line" Porsche. point being; people are idiots and we shouldn't pay attention to them :) |
that was hilarious grizz...altho I wanted to chime in and defend my wife's Murano, until I realized that I can't....cause I hate it's guts...and if I could take the step and justify buying another poor man's porsche Cayenne (non S) I would in a second! best handling SUV out there.....
but so is life that one porsche payment is quite enough for me :D as far as the infinit G35 goes, that was the original car I was going to purchase, I must thank Infiniti for the producing the most boring, lame, uninspiring test drive ever that rove me to the boxster :D the 350....ummm....they looked better in the 90's....and the new one, well they copied the TT but the TT still looks much better... |
In the 2.5 yrs I've had my Box, I've had tons of compliments from the people I run into. The only negative comment I got was back in Sep. I decided to drive the Box to the Neb - Wake Forest game in NC. On the way out I stopped in Chicago for a Cubs game. Scored a great parking spot just outside Wrigley "Stadium" (as Jeff Gordon calls it) on Waveland Ave. Had some time to kill before the game, so I was just hanging out by the car. A group of late teens walk by (3 guys, 2 girls) and the pack leader says "You oughta drive a real Porsh". I didn't bother engaging him but I thought to myself "Yeah, like the one YOU drive". I bet if I offered to trade keys with him he would've been excited.
As far as the 350Z crowd is concerned, they've bought the top of the line car in Nissan's offerings so they probably feel pretty good about themselves while us poor Boxster owners are just "entry level". Not sure what the G35 people are thinking. My sister bought a 350Z last Jan and I'll have a chance to drive it in a couple of weeks. I'm sure it's a nice car. She drove mine last year and was impressed but wasn't too excited about some of the reliability issues. In the grand scheme of things, I don't need someone else's approval for what I choose to drive. I wave at the 911 guys that I meet and don't care if they don't wave back. If someone doesn't like my car, that's their problem not mine. I still have permagrin. :D |
Why is it all 350Z owners I've met are hard headed? :confused:
My friend got one,02' w/ the button pushing tranny not the real manual. I saw him at the gym one day,wanted to race swear his 350z was faster than my Box. I couldn't resist laughing as he pulled up to me putting his car in P(ark) and he started revving his engine. |
I have to lol at Grizzly's comparison :D :D :D I couldn't breathe as soon as I saw the the nissan without mugs.
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bought a Nissan Altima SE-R (very quick and fun) as a daily driver a couple of years ago. I'm constantly driving by the zillions of other Altima's on the road yelling "get a real Altima" ;) sarcasm ;)
As for 350Z owners, I have a good friend who drives his 350Z like a total idiot, going to kill himself in it. Comments like those posted are coming from morons (u know who u r) who have no regard for the rest of us out there on the roads, it makes no absolutely no difference what they're driving. Funny, because my model aviation club has similar issues, unless you're flying a scratch built WWII plane or something 50% to scale, you're a poser. They can stay on the left side of the field and life as far as I'm concerned, which isn't much. PS Griz, loved the pics and captions :cheers: |
When i was in the market for a new car for my wife we test drove all kinds of cars, from BMW to Honda s2000. I have to admit that the Z wasn't bad except that if you and your wife or GF wanted to go to the market you couldn't get any more than would fit on your lap. She ended up getting a Volvo C-70 Rag Top. Real nice car. When I started to look for a replacement for my 64 MGB I went and drove a Boxster. I have had sports cars all my life and I can honestly say that there are few experiences like driving a Boxster through the twisties. The Z may be quicker on the straights but as someone once said, " Lets race without using brakes". For someone who wants to drive around town with the top down and have people look at them , maybe the Z is the right car , but for people who want to drive their car the Boxster is the better choice. Different strokes. Ed
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Car "purists" make me laugh. They run around calling other folks "posers" which I assume they mean that they are the only REAL men who drive REAL cars.
Kind of sad really; take pitty on them! After all, it is the Christmas season, time for charity and forgiveness. And, as Tiny Tim remarked...... God bless us, everyone! :) |
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Both times I've pulled up beside a 911 at a traffic light or on the road, I've tried to wave and smile and just say hello. Both times I've gotten the "I'm superior" treatment. I don't understand it, but it's very real. Also, I will not be renewing my PCA membership next year. Our local chapter has a few good guys, but the core group, including the president, is made up of a clique of club racers that drive mostly 911s. If you're not one of them, you're ignored at the meetings, looked down upon, just generally made to feel like you're not worthy. :rolleyes: Screw 'em. Most of them are a gold chain away from driving a 'vette anyway. |
I guess I have 2 of Porsche's poor man's Porsche. 02 Boxster S and 88 944 turbo S. I've driven 993's and 996's from my friends. They just did not give me the thrill I wanted. When I drove the 993 it just reminded me so much of my 72 VW bug. The sound, the burnt oil air smell in the cabin which is typical from air cooled heaters. I floored it a few times and it was no match with my turbo S. I've had people tell me to buy a real Porsche which I just ignore. I've had people with 911's that gave me thimbs down when I was next to them in my turbo. I just smoked them when they tried to out pace me and I give them a thumbs down. Boxster's and 944's are hard to beat when it comes to handling and satisfaction.
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One last comment on the subject, the new RS production limited edition celebrates the connection of the Boxster to the 550 spyder. Many debate whether the cars have a true union, despite the fact that the company that built both models says they do. The 550's were not powerful engined rockets, they were balanced track scathing ballerinas, beating many cars with higher horsepower. The 550 was one of the companies most successful racers. Excellence had a great article recently for those interested. Back to the 944 for a moment, the 924, even more maligned, came is a little package known as the 924 carerra GT. In an article of favorite cars from years past, many professional Porsche drivers chose the 924 GT as their favorite. As Mr. T might say, I pity the fool who doesn't recognize the signature boxed rockers, hood scoop and what it means, 210 HP puts it right in Boxsterland and the handling is superb. As the other guy said, to each his own, the 350Z is no slouch car to be sure.
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Here is how you can tell of REAL Porsche.
It was made by the Porsche company. Any dispute on this? :D |
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I believe some of your cars were made by the Valmet Automotive Inc. in Uusikaupunki, Finland. ie. made FOR Porsche not BY Porsche. So by your own rationale, Boxsters & Cayman built by Valmet are NOT real Porsches. This being your Forum I guess yours is the last word. Thank-you for clearing that up for everyone. . |
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I think the lawyers will back me up on this! :D |
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Fact: Valmet Automotive Inc. made your Porsche NOT Dr. Ing. h.c. F.Porsche AG - do you want to dispute that? Your own words were: "Here is how you can tell of REAL Porsche. It was made by the Porsche company" Are you suddenly changing your judgement criteria on REAL Porsches to suddenly encompass all cars that ultimately have legal liability to Porsche? If that's the case my cousin's Skoda Octavia is a real Porsche too! . |
Grizz, Nick, Blink, DJ, cas951 and everyone else...who want's popcorn? Let me know, so I could go to Costco and buy a bulk size..I think this will be good for awhile :D :D :D
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Poor man's Porsche, maybe. But hey even the bottom end boxster is nearly $20,000 more than the bottom end 350z. Boxster: Starting MSRP: $45,600 350Z: Starting MSRP: $27,900 This guy can suck my exhaust. Even the least expensive Armani suit is better than the best suit from JCPenny. I doubt if that guy would turn down a Boxster. It's not always about speed. It's also about handling and I hate to agree with this guy but I do get some satisfaction when I look down and see the Porsche emblem on the steering wheel. There is something in a name and I think Porsche has proved that. If Ferrari put out a $50,000 roadster I'd probably buy one of those too :D |
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