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yellowboxster01 09-11-2007 12:35 PM

Instead of a Carrera GT...
 
My father has been in the market for yet another car. He was looking at buying a Carrera GT but, after truly researching the car found that a clutch cost $20K on a CGT. It isn't practical to even drive around town, drives like a race car, and costs $300K+.

So...he ordered one of these and takes delivery next year.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...ent/audir8.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/audirear.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...i-show-car.jpg

...and bought this yesterday. It should arrive from NY on Sunday.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...ent/fordgt.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...fordgtback.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...gtinterior.jpg

He still didn't spend what he would have on a Carrera GT. :cheers:

porscheracer 09-11-2007 12:40 PM

My opionion- the Audi interior looks like star trek enterprise and the ford GT is just plain ugly.


give me a raw 930 turbo!

CJ_Boxster 09-11-2007 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porscheracer
the ford GT is just plain ugly.


:eek: :eek: :eek: May you be struck down by lightening!

easyc 09-11-2007 12:45 PM

Id still rather have the carrera GT... even if you through in a F430 Ferrari... its just that amazing.

J-RAD 09-11-2007 12:51 PM

The Ford is a very good car. However, I wouldn't touch the Audi for a bunch of reasons.

Nonetheless, it's a no brainer to take the Carrera GT over both of them. FWIW, the clutch does NOT cost $20K but it is still very expensive (w/labor ~$10K) and very special. You gotta pay to play.

I know a guy near me that drives his CGT several times a week during the summer as well as participating in DE's. Never an issue. He loves it. Same holds true with the other three owners I've talked to.

I think your old man kind of screwed the pooch on this decision...but, hey, it's not my money (unfortunately). ;) :)

:cheers:

yellowboxster01 09-11-2007 12:54 PM

Ford GT ugly :confused: wow. I'm not an american car fan at all but, the Ford GT is an exception to that rule. It is truly a work of art and in one word I could describe it BEAUTIFUL. The Audi outperforms I believe the 997 Turbo and can be a daily driver right along with the 911.

He already owns 4 Porsches and a couple other exotics. :cheers:

bmussatti 09-11-2007 01:09 PM

Wow, great collection!

JCL12 09-11-2007 01:26 PM

If your pop is willing to shell out 300,000+ on a CGT, do you really think a 10-20k clutch replacement is going to bother him at all?

I'd personally have gone for a f430, gallardo, murci, or some sweet ruf

FIG 09-11-2007 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL12
If your pop is willing to shell out 300,000+ on a CGT, do you really think a 10-20k clutch replacement is going to bother him at all?

I'd personally have gone for a f430, gallardo, murci, or some sweet ruf

oh, and you forgot the Veyron & Zonda :p ;)

racer_d 09-11-2007 01:59 PM

CGT is in SUCH a different league.. Think Enzo, F40 or F50 or McLaren SLR or F1.. The R8 and Ford GT are "second tier" in this league. That is not to say they are not nice cars.. just not the same either.

In Fact, I see the R8 having a very short shelf life as Porsche takes control of the VW group

I saw a FGT at a local dealer about 2 years ago. Their sticker price was $180.. I think Ford MSRP was only 140.. I asked him what they were thinking asking $40K over price.. I then asked about the oh, what was it, subframe or suspension issues and how they could STILL ask so much over sticker. The salesman told me "How do i knwo so much about this car" so i told him "I know how to read". He said I read to much.... Dick ;).. Needless to say not that Ford or any other Ford has made it into my garage.

SC986 09-11-2007 02:37 PM

The Carrera GT...wow I'd get one. I would say the samewith it as I did with the Boxster. I've got the money and I'm going to try and own one. If it gets to expensive to maintain/service then I'll sadly sell.

The Ford GT, at the end of the day is still a Ford built car. Kind of like the C6 I drove. I was impressed at first and like the take off power, but at the end of the day it was still a GM. Pass.

But hey, I give credit to your Dad for getting two cars that will still give you a thrill when you hit the gas. We all have our own taste and wants. All but one or two of the people I know can't understand me buying the Porsche over other choices.

JackG 09-11-2007 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC986
The Ford GT, at the end of the day is still a Ford built car.

So was the original GT, which ate Porsches and Ferraris for lunch. :cheers:

Grizzly 09-11-2007 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackG
So was the original GT, which ate Porsches and Ferraris for lunch. :cheers:

Amen to that, my brother. Ford allowed Ferrari and Porsche to win races again, when bored of their complete and total domination, they packed up their stuff and went home.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...istorical1.jpg

Can you say 1,2 and 3?

edevlin 09-11-2007 03:43 PM

Wow, those are two great cars, more power to your dad. Its great that he has the resources to be able to get them, may he enjoy them well,

Ed

:cheers:

JCL12 09-11-2007 03:50 PM

I don't know what ya'll are thinking but here are my feelings - my gut tells me that if I had an R8 right now and a CGT, the R8 would turn more heads.

That being said, R8+ F430 costs less than 1 CGT. I think the choice is clear! Drive an F430 while the R8 is broken and vice versa.

Heck, for a new price compare, R8+F430+Boxster < CGT

Pat 09-11-2007 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-RAD
The Ford is a very good car. However, I wouldn't touch the Audi for a bunch of reasons.

Nonetheless, it's a no brainer to take the Carrera GT over both of them. FWIW, the clutch does NOT cost $20K but it is still very expensive (w/labor ~$10K) and very special. You gotta pay to play.

I know a guy near me that drives his CGT several times a week during the summer as well as participating in DE's. Never an issue. He loves it. Same holds true with the other three owners I've talked to.

I think your old man kind of screwed the pooch on this decision...but, hey, it's not my money (unfortunately). ;) :)

:cheers:

J-RAD, why wouldn't you touch the Audi? I haven't driven one, but just about everything I've read on it says it's better than a 911. That's saying A LOT.

blinkwatt 09-11-2007 04:13 PM

Congrats to your dad! That's a stable of bada55 cars.

tkn 09-11-2007 04:22 PM

Yeah, the CGT just showed how much the HP wars have been pressing on the upper end of the market. When Camrys [sic?] are in the 6's, Lancers Evos are at 5, and cars like the M3 and Elise are really pushing the times even further down, it is hard to justify spending that much money on a car that is only in the mid 3s for 0-60 when a Ferrari will do it as well. I admit its Nurburgring times were absolutely amazing and made the car almost worth it (the GT2 manages similar times for much less), but most people just look at 0-60s or 0-100-0s in the US.

The face that the new Nissan GT-R is supposed to destroy everything else on the Ring is even more impressive and just makes the sports car wars even more ridiculous.

I love the CGT, but it was way too expensive for what it was. The Audi R8 is ridiculously hot, I am considering getting one myself to replace my Boxster, but I like the daily livability of my car...

All that being said, great choices in cars and much better than the standard F430 and Vantages I see around mostly.

yellowboxster01 09-11-2007 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL12

I'd personally have gone for a f430, gallardo, murci, or some sweet ruf

He already has a Gallardo, F355, 993 CT3, 996 Turbo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC986
The Ford GT, at the end of the day is still a Ford built car.

Don't be so sure of that.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=01ONehtzJ2Y (2min 45 seconds)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racer d
I saw a FGT at a local dealer about 2 years ago. Their sticker price was $180.. I think Ford MSRP was only 140.. I asked him what they were thinking asking $40K over price.. I then asked about the oh, what was it, subframe or suspension issues and how they could STILL ask so much over sticker. The salesman told me "How do i knwo so much about this car" so i told him "I know how to read". He said I read to much.... Dick .. Needless to say not that Ford or any other Ford has made it into my garage.

Yes the first production models had some suspension problems but, were recalled about 400 or so and fixed. Most supercars first year run has problems. MSRP in 2006, last year of production was $150K. They dropped off a couple months back and some sitting at $139K but, now they're on the rise again and only expected to gain value.

Quote:

Originally Posted by racer d
CGT is in SUCH a different league.. Think Enzo, F40 or F50 or McLaren SLR or F1

He's looked at the F40 several times and may buy one someday. Personally with a car of that caliber I'd prefer an F40 over a CGT. The F40 has been my dream car since I was a kid, my room was decorated in several different images of the F40. A couple years ago I got the pleasure of actually being able to sit in 140 something. The ultimate road going race car! I wanted to do backflips in this showroom but, I did a good job at containing myself. :p

blkboxster 09-11-2007 05:32 PM

I also bought a forg gt, but i must say mine is much nicer ;)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-GT40-Replica_W0QQitemZ200148618181QQihZ010QQcategoryZ72 51QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

drburton 09-11-2007 05:47 PM

Nice choices, love the Audi. If I had the money I think the Audi would make a great addition for some fun driving and track time. Rated very well and I like the unique look. What color is he getting? What color will the 'blade' be? I played around on the website a couple months ago, I think I liked the black with the carbon fiber blade. I don't like too much contrast or it looks a bit weird.

Post some pics when he gets it.

yellowboxster01 09-11-2007 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drburton
Nice choices, love the Audi. If I had the money I think the Audi would make a great addition for some fun driving and track time. Rated very well and I like the unique look. What color is he getting? What color will the 'blade' be? I played around on the website a couple months ago, I think I liked the black with the carbon fiber blade. I don't like too much contrast or it looks a bit weird.

Post some pics when he gets it.

He's thinking white with the carbon fiber blade. Gunmetal or Black wheels and all the exterior pieces such as the grill and vents will also be done in carbon fiber. Give it that monochrome look. There are few cars I like in white but, Porsche's, the Gallardo and the R8 all look good in white. He's not a fan of black cars as they tend to hide the bodylines and who wants to do that.;)

boggtown 09-11-2007 06:50 PM

I think for what he wanted he got a good deal. If I wanted a super race car, Id get the CGT, its the balls. But if I wanted a sweet fast ride I would get those cars. Very nice, im just surprised your dad doesnt have a dedicated race car.

yellowboxster01 09-11-2007 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boggtown
I think for what he wanted he got a good deal. If I wanted a super race car, Id get the CGT, its the balls. But if I wanted a sweet fast ride I would get those cars. Very nice, im just surprised your dad doesnt have a dedicated race car.

hmm....dedicated race car you say..
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...nt/racecar.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/racecar2.jpg

89' 3.2L, roll cage, racing seats, completely gutted. The engine just got a full rebuild. They bought the car from some guy in Houston. He is part owner with our Porsche body man being the other, couldn't have picked a better person to buy a race car with.;)

They said I could run it around the track at the upcoming OctoberFast. I think I'll take them up on the offer.

super66 09-11-2007 07:20 PM

great call on the Ford....ha....you will rarely here those words come out of my mouth....I think its a great car, I am guessing he didn't get the Mach 5 looking paint job, too bad, I do have a soft spot for it....

I can't say I like anything about the audi, a fan of the CGT but in the end...he's got 2 great cars....instead of 1 great ca....and if his heart wasn't sold on the CGT, then he's winning by buying what HE wants.....post pics!

NickCats 09-11-2007 07:43 PM

All I can say is WOW !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3hcOVK8NDE

Nick

J-RAD 09-11-2007 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grizzly
Can you say 1,2 and 3?

Say it? How about a pic of the winner? ;) :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...5/Img_1012.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...5/Img_1013.jpg

Grizzly 09-11-2007 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-RAD
Say it? How about a pic of the winner? ;) :

Wow! How awesome is that? The golden age of motorsports, if you ask me.

JCL12 09-12-2007 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowboxster01
He already has a Gallardo, F355, 993 CT3, 996 Turbo.


Uh . . . Will he adopt me please? :D

Chills 09-12-2007 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickCats
All I can say is WOW !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3hcOVK8NDE

Nick


I found that video about a year ago. Probably watched it a dozen times. I love the CGT.


YellowBox, I can't saw I would have done the same with that money, but I've never had that much money to spend on cars. I do like both the R8 and the FGT, both sexy cars at the opposite end of the looks spectrum.

I think he made a good choice. :cheers:

J-RAD 09-12-2007 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickCats

I like this one a lot too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feP3KLV5Z7g

Absolutely the most kick ass sounding car I've heard. The sound is absolutely intoxicating.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowboxster01
He already has a Gallardo, F355, 993 CT3, 996 Turbo.

Which is more to the point. Why buy more of the same? It's time to step it up to the next level. ;) :)

:cheers:

ingolstadt85 09-12-2007 06:25 AM

Greetings fellas!

I recently placed an order on a new 987 S Gray/Terracotta

On a side note, what i am really anxious for is the enzo my dad ordered in may and is due to arrive in a couple of weeks after i broke his mclaren f1's engine last summer on a crazy graduation celebration (whoops!) hehe...

timothy 09-12-2007 06:51 AM

Well, my dad has a 98 Volvo. Sometimes I even get to drive it. I know, I know, you are all jealous.

J-RAD 09-12-2007 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timothy
Well, my dad has a 98 Volvo. Sometimes I even get to drive it. I know, I know, you are all jealous.

Not as jealous as I know you'd be of my dad's '96 Ford Explorer (and yes, it is the sport model, FTW!).

Bambino Don 09-12-2007 08:26 AM

I love the Audi R8 there are a few in Aberdeen and they look amazing and sound incredible.

I think thats quite cool buying the 2 cars but am surprised by getting the Audi that the Ford GT would appeal and not something more exotic like a Lambo Murci or a Gallardo roadster or a F435.

Still he is going to be one hell of a happy chap.
Have ford sorted the reliability issues on the GT.

Chills 09-12-2007 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ingolstadt85
Greetings fellas!

I recently placed an order on a new 987 S Gray/Terracotta

On a side note, what i am really anxious for is the enzo my dad ordered in may and is due to arrive in a couple of weeks after i broke his mclaren f1's engine last summer on a crazy graduation celebration (whoops!) hehe...


The phrase "more money than sense" pops into my head for some reason.

And who says the $3.17 a gallon we are paying for gas isn't going to a good cause.

yellowboxster01 09-12-2007 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambino Don

I think thats quite cool buying the 2 cars but am surprised by getting the Audi that the Ford GT would appeal and not something more exotic like a Lambo Murci or a Gallardo roadster or a F435.

Still he is going to be one hell of a happy chap.
Have ford sorted the reliability issues on the GT.

He has a Gallardo hardtop and an F355 spider. He tried ordering an F430 spider from Ferrari and they won't take his money so, he found another company that would.

He got the last model GT so, all should be taken care of. The biggest advantage to both of these cars is they can be serviced in town. His Lambo and Ferrari have to be transported to Springfield or Dallas for anything more than an oil change.

IowaS 09-12-2007 08:49 AM

My only experience with a CGT was in Cherry Hill in Denver. My wife and I were enjoying breakfast outside and I heard this engine noise...I turned quickly to see a CGT sitting at a stop sign...I will never forget that sound...unbelievable

djomlas 09-12-2007 08:51 AM

altough the ford is fast, that has to be the guliest car ever. my opinion of course.
theres a guy here in chicago that has a twin turbo one, and its wicked fast

the audi on the other hand, now that is nice, i sat in one, and loved it, i bet that thing drives awesome.

good luck with both cars, some very nice expencive toys ;)

BoxsterBob - CA 09-12-2007 08:54 AM

You're dad has a beautiful collection of cars, whatever he does for a living, he's obviously very successful at it, and I'm sure you're proud! :cheers:

Be sure to post pics when the new stable mates arrive.


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