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View Poll Results: Heel N Toe
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Yes, I can do it consistently
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I can do it occasionally
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I screw it up everytime
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What's heel and toe?
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04-13-2007, 06:39 PM
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Porsche "Purist"
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1998 Boxster with 7.8 DME, 2005 3.6 liter/325 hp, Variocam Plus, 996 Instrument panel
2001 Boxster original owner. I installed used motor at 89k.
1987 924S. 2002 996TT. PST-2
Owned and repaired Porsches since 1974. Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy.
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04-13-2007, 07:04 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NJ
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That video was well shot...but he is primarily illustrating how he is physically able to do it along with some of the reason why you need to learn it for control's sake. He was using almost all ankle and foot control (lots of experience) to make it happen...and I would imagine that would not be very easy to figure out without a ton of practice and instruction.
I am sure there are several teaching tricks to use to develope one's skill but here is how it was explained to me by a racing instructor.
Feels awkward at first but it helped me to learn in it in one day...now let me qualify that by adding that I spun the car a bunch of times by not performing this move correctly over and over again before it began to feel somewhat comfortable.
First, as you approach a turn and you are about to set your break, bring your knees closer together than the fellow in the video...almost to an unnatural feeling where they are almost touching.
Then while applying the break with the ball of your foot on the right edge of the pedal keeping your heel in place on the floor, move/roll your knee outwards and the outside edge of your foot will naturally be forced to blip the go pedal.
Not sure how this comes through with text on the screen but this worked for me in person.
Last edited by Boxter; 04-13-2007 at 07:09 PM.
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04-13-2007, 07:50 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TN
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Boxter
That video was well shot...but he is primarily illustrating how he is physically able to do it along with some of the reason why you need to learn it for control's sake. He was using almost all ankle and foot control (lots of experience) to make it happen...and I would imagine that would not be very easy to figure out without a ton of practice and instruction.
I am sure there are several teaching tricks to use to develope one's skill but here is how it was explained to me by a racing instructor.
Feels awkward at first but it helped me to learn in it in one day...now let me qualify that by adding that I spun the car a bunch of times by not performing this move correctly over and over again before it began to feel somewhat comfortable.
First, as you approach a turn and you are about to set your break, bring your knees closer together than the fellow in the video...almost to an unnatural feeling where they are almost touching.
Then while applying the break with the ball of your foot on the right edge of the pedal keeping your heel in place on the floor, move/roll your knee outwards and the outside edge of your foot will naturally be forced to blip the go pedal.
Not sure how this comes through with text on the screen but this worked for me in person.
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The method described above is how i was taught several years ago, but the car was a honda s2000. Weak engine not withstanding, that car is designed for a more enthusiastic driver expereince that the Boxster was. I h-t sometimes, but I imagine it helps to have bigger feet when driving the Boxster
Last edited by mtch; 04-13-2007 at 08:01 PM.
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04-13-2007, 07:53 PM
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I do H&T the Boxster during spirited driving or on the track, however I will agree that the pedal placement isnt ideal for this (I think partly the bottom hinged gas with the top hinged brake)....at the end fo the day though, its just practice.
Now, H&T double clutch downshifts I still need to work on....
Patrick
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04-13-2007, 09:59 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego, CA
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Been doing it for years and have the 987S down pat. Takes a while to get used to things.
The 987's pedals are perfect for heel-toe. I'm very happy with the stock pedal arrangement. You blip with the side of your foot rather than the heel on most cars these days so the bottom-hinge thing doesn't bother me.
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04-14-2007, 07:53 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Jersey
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don't know if its the clunky shifter in this car but I find myself rarely down shifting, most of my driving lately is highway. I think I shifted 900% more in general with my Miata, about half of that being downshifts.
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04-14-2007, 07:59 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Seattle, WA
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I can do it w/out a problem, but not in the traditional way. Due to the pedal arangement, I have to roll my foot versus turning my foot and using my heel.
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07-31-2015, 04:03 AM
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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I've never had any issues with heel and toe-ing in my boxster. I think the pedal set up is amazing and very well positioned.
If you're having a hard time getting the motion of it watch Senna do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ekbvjyr0g
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07-31-2015, 05:26 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ルーカス
I've never had any issues with heel and toe-ing in my boxster. I think the pedal set up is amazing and very well positioned.
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I agree I can do it in flip flops, bare feet, track shoes, sneakers or dress shoes. I found that when driving in the rain it's a indispensable tool.
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07-31-2015, 07:24 AM
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Location: Miami florida
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ルーカス
I've never had any issues with heel and toe-ing in my boxster. I think the pedal set up is amazing and very well positioned.
If you're having a hard time getting the motion of it watch Senna do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ekbvjyr0g
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I can never watch this video too many times.
Why is he pumping the throttle in the middle of what looks like the slow the corners?
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07-31-2015, 09:54 AM
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He is modulating the throttle for the amount of traction he has I think
Last edited by jimk04; 07-31-2015 at 10:01 AM.
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07-31-2015, 10:11 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Jersey
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Quote:
Originally Posted by san rensho
I can never watch this video too many times.
Why is he pumping the throttle in the middle of what looks like the slow the corners?
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It's was a carry over From his Turbo days... jabbing the throttle was his signature move to keep the boost up.
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