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Seubs · 03-29-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dcporsche99

Anyway, I guess the first place I should take a tour of would be the Stuttgart factory. Do they allow for track time as well?? I will have to look into that. BTW, you wouldn't happen to know anyone there? Would you?

I studies abroad at school in the suburbs of Stuttgart last year and we went on a "fieldtrip" to the Porsche Engneering Center. They showed us the Crash Test Garage, Prototype Build Area, Motorsports Garage and a few other things. Then to top it all of they brought out a Boxster S, Cayman and 911 and took us on a few laps around their test track. I liked Porsches before then but had no special interest. Well since then I have been obsesed and cant wait to get my first Porsche when i graduate!!!

dcporsche99 · 03-29-2007, 09:34 AM

Seubs,

Very nice!! Good luck with your studies and with getting the Porsche of your dreams!!

I have been wanting to visit the Stuttgart factory for some time now. The closest I have been there was at the Munich airport a few summers ago at a stopover before I headed over to Italy. Unfortunately, I have neither had the opportunity nor have I made the time to do so. It's definitely on my list of things to do!!

BuffaloBoxster · 03-29-2007, 10:02 AM

I've always loved Lotuses (Loti?).. I've longed for a Turbo Esprit forever, and might have gotten one instead of the Boxster if I was more mechanically inclined. I'd strongly consider an Elise for my next toy, except that I think I drive the Boxster too much for the Elise to be livable..

Perfectlap · 03-29-2007, 02:27 PM

great cars

but this is the Lotus I always wanted to track (they claim 0-60 in 2.9)

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=355974

or the original Chapman "Miata"

Elan

porsche986spyder · 03-29-2007, 02:36 PM

I love the look of that car, but for the price and the fact that the engine is actually nothing more than a 1.8 Ltr 4 cylinder, Toyota Celica GTS engine is very disapointing and over rated. I found out this unfortunate news after I saw one up close. It only has 190Hp! The power to whieght ratio is great, but it still needs more power in my opinion and for the price of a Lotus, they should be able to put a turbo in there.

For those of you who don't belive that its nothing more than a Toyota Celica GTS engine go to this web site.
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/thecar/engine/toyota.html

Or this one.
http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/060402.html

Bavarian Motorist · 03-29-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by porsche986spyder

I love the look of that car, but for the price and the fact that the engine is actually nothing more than a 1.8 Ltr 4 cylinder, Toyota Celica GTS engine is very disapointing and over rated. I found out this unfortunate news after I saw one up close. It only has 190Hp! The power to whieght ratio is great, but it still needs more power in my opinion and for the price of a Lotus, they should be able to put a turbo in there.

For those of you who don't belive that its nothing more than a Toyota Celica GTS engine go to this web site.
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/thecar/engine/toyota.html

Or this one.
http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/060402.html

What car you talking about? The 2-11 is 252bhp.

The regular Lotus Elise is 190hp which is...a lot.

You have to realize this is not a drag car. It's a sports car.

As a Boxster owner, you should understand this better than anyone.

MNBoxster · 03-29-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by porsche986spyder

I love the look of that car, but for the price and the fact that the engine is actually nothing more than a 1.8 Ltr 4 cylinder, Toyota Celica GTS engine is very disapointing and over rated. I found out this unfortunate news after I saw one up close. It only has 190Hp! The power to whieght ratio is great, but it still needs more power in my opinion and for the price of a Lotus, they should be able to put a turbo in there.

For those of you who don't belive that its nothing more than a Toyota Celica GTS engine go to this web site.
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/thecar/engine/toyota.html

Or this one.
http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/060402.html

Hi,

You are really talking beyond your experience. The Engine is sourced by Toyota, but with a Lotus Head and Lotus ECU, it is not the same as the Celica GTS.

So far as adding a Turbo, again you don't get it. A Naturally Aspirated car drives better than a Forced one. It is preferable from that standpoint.

Most Forced Induction cars have split personalities - On Boost and Off Boost. This can be very disconcerting in the Twisties at the Apex or on a Track.

In fact, Lotus Engineering did a lot of engineering on this engine for Toyota back in the '90's when they used to frequently burn up the Crank Bearings. Lotus redesigned the Oiling system, and the Bearings. Added an Oil Cooler, and the engine gained 10HP and became instantly as bulletproof as anything else coming out of the Motomachi plant.

I only wish the Boxster Engine had Toyota reliability...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

porsche986spyder · 03-30-2007, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

You are really talking beyond your experience. The Engine is sourced by Toyota, but with a Lotus Head and Lotus ECU, it is not the same as the Celica GTS.

So far as adding a Turbo, again you don't get it. A Naturally Aspirated car drives better than a Forced one. It is preferable from that standpoint.

Most Forced Induction cars have split personalities - On Boost and Off Boost. This can be very disconcerting in the Twisties at the Apex or on a Track.

In fact, Lotus Engineering did a lot of engineering on this engine for Toyota back in the '90's when they used to frequently burn up the Crank Bearings. Lotus redesigned the Oiling system, and the Bearings. Added an Oil Cooler, and the engine gained 10HP and became instantly as bulletproof as anything else coming out of the Motomachi plant.

I only wish the Boxster Engine had Toyota reliability...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Whatever, the engine block is still a Toyota. Look at the links I posted. My brother has a Toyota Celica GTS and the Lotus even has the Toyota stamp on the block. Its not visible when you pop the hood, but its still on there. I never said the entire engine was made by Toyota. Thats why I posted those links, did you even look at them? My point was that for the price you pay for the Regular Lotus Elis it is still underpowered. All those other exotic sports cars out there and Lotus could not put an engine in the car that could break the 250hp mark? To expensive of a car to pay for and only get 190hp. All show and no go. As for tubos, there is nothing wrong with the drivability on the track or off. Look at the cars that are famous for track records. Most have turbos. Subaru WRX, Dodge Neon SRT-4, Mitsubishi Eclipse GT or GSX, etc...I'm sure there are some turbo Porsches in there too.

dcporsche99 · 03-29-2007, 02:58 PM

They are both mean looking rides! I agree that the Exige below...without the steroids (S).... 2.9 sec 0-60 is still crazzzy! But, I still cannot imagine what that would feel like!! Despite the fact that it has a Toyota engine...it's still pretty remarkable!

As far as the little Miata, I am sure that would be a trip to drive as well...but for different reasons!