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The miata is steadily increasing in size and weight with each generation just like about every car out there. (a 3rd gen MX-5 is I am guessing about 4-500 lbs more than a first gen). The elise is usually not optioned with much more than a kit car (A/C, radio, sound proofing, carpet, etc.) and the S2000 is according to figures I have seen closer to 2800-2900 lbs. No doubt light but it is a bit unfair to compare any of these two seat only cars to a newer model 911 as the porsche is going to have a lot more standard features (whether you want them or not), larger tires/wheels, a back seat, etc. The toyota and suburu are not in production yet so I am not sure what the final weight might be. I agree with you that I would love to see porsche make the cars smaller (I wish the boxster was the size of an mx-5) and lighter but I just do not see it happening soon with the way people want the combination of a sports car and GT in one. Ferrari can cater to a very narrow clientele that drives their cars primarily on weekends and shorts trips...porsche's cars are much more likely to be driven as a daily driver and as such people demand more content for their money. The original comparison of the suburu and toyota is a bit of a stretch IMO as I do not think these cars are likely to be cross shopped with porsche's present offerings and appeal to completely different types of people.