![]() |
Meridian Boxster Rebuild Project '24
Well, here we go again, probably the last thing I needed now was to get another Boxster, especially one that needs a new motor. I tried really hard to swipe away on fb marketplace but this thing kept coming back and finally I couldn't resist and went to see it. Not that I wanted to buy it at that point, I was just curious to see a 22 year old Boxster with only 22,000 miles on it and it was nearby. The car was in pristine condition, my daily driver Boxster S Tip seemed like a real s**tbox next to it, even though I put quite a lot of work into that in the past two years. The owner tells me the car was a garage queen in the family throughout its whole life, meticulously maintained with all the receipts and everything since day one. The only tiny blemish is, khm, the engine, which one day, after a loud bang, stopped working. At the shop the owner had been told the engine probably suffered a catastrophic engine failure and needs replacing. Since I have a complete S engine in bits stored in boxes in the shed, I quickly convinced myself (and my wife) that I should not pass on this.. The owner was also super nice and we made a deal.
Not sure at this point how long it is going to take to get it back on the road again, hopefully not as long as the Blue Boxster took http://https://986forum.com/forums/show-tell-gallery/73917-blue-boxster-resurrection-project-10.html, but I thought I'd start a thread about it just to document the progress. Here's a few pictures as a start: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967749.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967798.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967808.jpg Looks like now that I own another wrecked Porsche I will have to change my lifestyle accordingly. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728968091.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967868.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967875.jpg Yep, that's the correct reading. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967890.jpg Tip got company. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967901.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967853.jpg Oil's clean, that's a good sign. All fluids were replaced shortly before the big bang. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1728967922.jpg |
:cheers: Awesome . I'm really curious to see what you find with the engine. Most 'big bang' failures I've seen make chunks and metal in the oil. Does it turn by hand?
|
Hopefully you can bring it back to life with manageable effort. Fingers crossed.
|
Quote:
The crank moves, but I didn't try turning it a whole revolution just to avoid messing things up even more. Not that it matters, of course. Also, I got this code below, indicating the cams at one bank are not in sync with the crankshaft. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/code1729045174.jpg Even though the oil was clean, I dropped the sump and found these tiny steel goodies: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729045598.jpg They seem chain roller pieces to me. Luckily, this is a 5-chain engine, so there's 4 more if one's shot. The internals otherwise are looking great. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729045643.jpg |
Quote:
|
I jacked up the car and fixed the top in service mode.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729394843.jpg Subwoofer. This was an expensive feature back in 2002. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729394716.jpg Lots of dust on the engine, otherwise everything looks great. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729394696.jpg Nice front view also. I haven's seen such a clean head in a long time. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729394895.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729394911.jpg This mess on the underside is unexpected at this mileage. Looks like a Toyota at 500.000 miles, lol. Most likely we have an RMS leak that has not started recently... http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729395226.jpg This is also something you wouldn't want to see when pulling the plugs.. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/plug1729395434.jpg I wondered a bit what to do at this point. Shall I pull the head cover with the motor in the car on that side where I have the error code and see what's going on with the timing, or just pull the engine and inspect things on the engine stand which is a lot more convenient? I opted for the latter. I took these guys off just in case someone gets tempted to take a peek under the jacked up car at night. My neighbor's cats got stolen on the driveway last year. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729395514.jpg Two shots of the engine from underneath without cats and driveshafts. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729395636.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729395685.jpg |
I see that the engine still has the plastic-cup oil filter thingy. Those sometimes become extremely tight, requiring, I estimate, 250+ ft-lbs to remove. I suggest you remove that from the engine before you remove the engine or transmission from the chassis. Exerting that much force on an engine on a stand only serves to move the stand across your shop. IMHO that plastic cup is the second-worse thing Porsche ever did, after locating the immobilizer module under the driver’s seat.
Oh, also: to remove the oil filter cup, use the aluminum filter wrench branded as Craftsman and sold through Lowe’s, but be aware that you likely won’t be able to remove the cap wrench from the plastic cup once you get it off. Good luck with project! |
The spark plug doesn't look good.
Fingers still crossed. ;) |
Quote:
Anyways, upon closer inspection through the spark plug hole with a borescope, this is what I can see: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729640934.jpg That curvy line on the piston top looks like a valve-contact. |
Could also be some kind of scratch. But a photo of a not so good screen is often misleading.
Valve seems more likely. Is that the cylinder the spark plug shown above came from? Well, unfortunately this means engine out - needs to be investigated further. :( |
Quote:
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729732455.jpg Here's a couple pics along the way: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729732610.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729732675.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729732755.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729732783.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729732973.jpg The friction disc is not too bad, but worn asymmetrically, so probably I'll just get a new one. Hopefully it's sold separately. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729733012.jpg Leaks.. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729733192.jpg Look at that mess around the AOS. Probably the O-rings got brittle in the past 22 years. Or it was just a crappy design in the first place. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729733289.jpg |
Crappy design?
Designed for a car lifetime of 10 years - and still kind of functional after 22 years. So what do you mean? :D ;) BTW: jealous of your neighbours. My neighbours would kill me if i would do an engine out on the driveway. ;) |
Quote:
Quote:
|
Further insights into the engine.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729960617.jpg Stripping the top. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729961054.jpg Something seems off here. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729961106.jpg Yep. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729961272.jpg Everything looks clean and nice inside though, no sludge, deposit. etc. This was indeed a well maintained car. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729961400.jpg Ouch... http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1729961467.jpg |
Quote:
Hope there is no excessive damage to the engine casing. Sometimes these chains can do ugly things How does the IMS look? How do pistons, rods and valves look? |
Quote:
IMS looks great too. Rods look fine, pistons have slight damage but seem reusable, I'll have to do measurements though. Several valves are bent. I'll upload pictures later. The question is, why did the chain snap? Tearing a dual row chain apart like this requires quite a bit of force. However, I think I found the answer for that. Inside the scavanging pump, that's a crack right there: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730091343.jpg Yep, the rotor is broken. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730091370.jpg It clearly picked up something which seized up the pump and hence the camshaft, that's why the chain snapped. I can make out the piece that's now melted in the pump housing. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730091391.jpg But I have no idea what it may have been and where it came from. So far I haven't found anything that came loose, missing bolt, etc. So I'm puzzled. Anyways, the engine obviously needs to be taken apart to the last bolt. |
Hm, looks like something hard did get sucked through the scavenger pump. Doesn't look like a normal wear pattern. That could have blocked the pump and things happened. The question is what got sucked into the pump? In my opinion, it must have been something hard like metal.
The IMS bearing is completely intact? No single bearing ball is missing? Were you able to identify where the metal parts in post #4 came from? |
Quote:
IMSB is in perfect condition. A ball couldn't just escape without ripping the whole thing apart. Those metal parts in the sump are remnants of the chain rollers. |
Here's a picture of the IMS bearing. No sign of damage or even wear.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730164861.jpg The sprocket also looks fine looking down from the head. The bottom sprocket is the mirror image :) http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730164920.jpg Head off. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730165108.jpg Tiny marks from the intake valves. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730165196.jpg Or, in this cylinder, from the exhaust valves. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730165262.jpg All valves should be closed with the camshafts being off. The reason why they are open is they are bent. It's not very much of a damage after a timing chain failure. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730165429.jpg |
On its way onto the engine stand. The other bank was all right.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730264878.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730264928.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730264990.jpg The oil pump rotors also have some slight chips.. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730265011.jpg Further pieces from the chain in the bottom of the case. I'm glad I decided to tear it down totally. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730265204.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730265278.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730265339.jpg A chain shrapnel melted into the crank-to-IMS chain guide.. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730265373.jpg |
Hope you'll find all metal pieces.
Would be bad if you rebuild the engine and something is left in there that causes future damages. The chain guides look pretty good. Seems the mileage of the car is correct. |
Quote:
Quote:
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730563592.jpg The crank seems fine, but the bearings show quite a bit of wear. However, the thrust bearing washers have no wear, underlining the low mileage. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730563625.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730563661.jpg Especially around the small windows where the oil gets in there's a lot of wear, suggesting there was something in the oil and made most of the damage here. What I don't understand is, how can the debris get through the filter? http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730563745.jpg Also, it seems most of the damage can't be accounted for the chain snap, I think this wear had happened before... Just in comparison, in the other engine I rebuilt there was literally no wear on the bearing shells, at 100.000 miles. This engine had 22.000 in it... This car was a garage queen. Since it is 22 years old, on average it ran 1000 miles/year, meaning probably there were several month-long gaps when it was not running at all, which is not really healthy for the bearings for obvious reasons. Still, hard to believe that this alone could have caused this much wear. |
Quote:
The rod bearing wear doesn't look evenly to me. That should be investigated further. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1730658068.jpg Hundreds of these tiny metal chips. I also found one or two on the back side but I'm not sure if they made it through the filter material or I just contaminated it when I cut the filter apart. Anyways, I think if these pieces went through the main bearing clearances they would have left a lot of scratch marks on the bearing surfaces and even on the journals. Instead, the wear on the bearings looks smooth to me. So it's more like a wear caused by oil starvation. I'll look into the spin-on filter conversion though, that adds some extra protection against the old bypass valve failure also. Thanks for the tip :cheers: Quote:
|
Quote:
Quote:
Because of the metal chip contamination, all bearings should be checked. |
Quote:
Quote:
|
Any news? Any new findings?
|
Quote:
|
I've been busy with lots of other stuff but now I'm back at this project. Weather is getting awesome here and my kids also keep asking when we'll have a working convertible again, so I better keep up the pace.
I got the crank back from the machine shop (months ago...). The machinist (it's a one man shop) polished the journals, mic'd them and said it's good to go. Now they (the journals) are smooth and shiny. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745462017.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745462032.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745462040.jpg I cleaned and tested the squirters and put them back in. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745462318.jpg Fresh set of bearings. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745462276.jpg I checked the clearances all around with platigauge, just in case. Everything is within specs. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745462306.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745463055.jpg I replaced one thrust bearing also as it showed some minor wear. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745463069.jpg Torqued down. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745462330.jpg The bearing carrier is now ready for the conrods. I'll throw them in once I received the new rod bolts from Pelican. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1745462338.jpg |
The engine I'm assembling had oil starvation since the previous idi--owner drove it after the cam tensioners had disintegrated. There was debris blocking the oil pickup pretty much completely. The only effect was one main bearing toasted and the others had a little heat. The crank needed only a polish on the one journal.
I reassembled the bottom end and found a tight spot. Looking at it again, there were high spots in one shell. I'm going to follow professional advice and just try smoothing with some grey Scotchbrite. Otherwise, I'll just get another shell. Did you use the ARP bolts for the crankcase? I found it helpful since they are reusable and I have definitely used that feature! |
Quote:
These high spots are surprising because the whole unit is pretty robust and should survive some extra heat without being damaged. Did you tighten the bolts down to the secified torque in the correct order? The bearing carrier halves have to be perfectly and evenly bolted to each other so the clearances will be the same all around. I used genuine bolts. |
Replacement IMS and fitting new bearing
This car had the single-row, small bearing, which is the weakest of them all. Although it's still perfect and shows no wear, I didn't want to just leave it as is.
Luckily I have a few more IMSs lying around that I can pick from. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324432.jpg The right most is the original. On its left is the newer IMS with the non-servicable bearing (not in place). To one more on the left is a similar one, with a flange. I found this on ebay a few months ago for a good price. This is the one I'll go with. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324583.jpg Deflanged. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324623.jpg Extracting the old bearing. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324644.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324655.jpg Side by side is a small bearing and the larger kind (6305). http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324672.jpg This is new replacement bearing chilling in the freezer to accompany some ice creams. The next morning I heated up the IMS in the oven. If you do this installing the bearing does not require any force, it just slides right in. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324689.jpg Spins nicely with negligible runout. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324806.jpg I added a Hartech-flange to the assembly instead of the original for increased lubrication by the splashed oil. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324716.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1748324731.jpg |
Quote:
He was worried the crank was bad so we had it checked. It's good so we are going with new bearings. He doesn't like the coated bearings and thinks that is the problem or there is an issue with the carrier. I had really aimed for getting this on the road this summer, but as these things go, that is looking less likely. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
Yes, it has taken longer than I thought. I've been amassing parts for a while, and in fact, noticed a box dated 2020 just yesterday. But there are a couple of factors like a 1000-mile move and a second bad engine, but we'll skip over that. |
Joining the cases
I had some progress with the engine in the past weeks (months?), starting with some clean-up. Case halves drying in the sun.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753243933.jpg Ready for the crank assembly. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753244077.jpg Here it goes. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753244105.jpg Chains... http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753244136.jpg Gapping the new rings. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753244183.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753244157.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753244232.jpg Torquing down the rod bolts. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753244259.jpg Case halves rejoined. :cool: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1753244285.jpg |
Home made tool to make sure the casings are perfectly aligned. There's a factory mandrel that fits into the bore of the IMS bearing (not the imfamous one, but on the other side, by the oil pump) and holds the case halves aligned.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1754444027.jpg Pulling out the tool. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1754444061.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1754444100.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1754444114.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1754444132.jpg The newer Boxsters differ from the base model regarding this circlip. The base model has a simple circlip, while the newer version has a lug that needs to be installed in a specific position making the whole proces a bit more difficult. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1754444150.jpg Borescope-view of piston pin #6. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1754444161.jpg |
Amazing clarity with that boescope! When we assembled mine, I could barely make it out. On that topic, Jake says in the video he just clips that lug. My mechanic friend who has LN ties, doesn’t, but it would seem to complicate assembly.
As far as the rings, the Mahles were pretty much right in the ballpark, not needing any filing, except one was slightly looser but still acceptable. |
Quote:
Actually it doesn't take longer to install the circlip with the lug, you can clearly feel where exactly it is by gently rotating the tool in the piston pin bore. I don't think it's a smart idea to clip it off, but unnecessary at the very least. I used Mahles too, but they were all tighter than Mahle specs so I needed to file off a little bit of each. |
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:58 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website