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Old 07-10-2016, 04:52 AM   #1
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I posted about this in another thread but it wasn't my finest moment and haven't been to happy to talk about it. A few months back I was pulling out from my street and gunned it. In a few seconds I was doing the speed limit of sixty so I let off of the throttle. As soon as I did that, I started getting a horrible shaking. I instantly completely let off the gas and started look for a place to pull off of the highway. There were no side medians but there was a turnaround in the middle of the highway only about 50 yards away. As I'm making my escape plan I feel the car drop in the back accompanied by a loud scraping noise and I see my left rear wheel pass me rolling down the center grass median. The box comes to a quick stop halfway off the road and halfway blocking the fast lane. From the point it started to shake to where the wheel came off was only 4-5 seconds. I'm guessing I was only doing 40mph by then. As I retrieve my wheel I access the situation and see that all of my lug bolts had come off. You would think there would have been some kind of vibration from the lug bolts coming loose and I would have felt it before the wheel came off. There wasn't! Only that 4-5 second vibration. This made me start to think what went wrong and I believe there was a few things I shouldn't have done. First was I used some generic wheel spacers on the back and I used gasket maker to hold them in place until I attached the wheel. That right there was the worse idea ever! The second bad thing I did was not rechecking my lug bolts after driving the car for a little bit. I had done a few 100+mph sprints and put about 500 miles on it so I had assumed everything was good. If I had checked the torque on them I might have caught that they were coming loose. After I limped home with my tail between my legs I checked the other side and those too were about to come loose. They maybe were only at 20 FT Lbs by then. My theory is that the gasket maker I used to secure the crappy spacer gave enough space and cushion to allow vibration that worked the lug bolts loose. I also believe the aftermarket lug bolts that came with the spacers were not long enough.
When the wheel came off, it flopped around in the wheel well rubbing against the rotor and caliper causing all kinds of groves to the inside of the wheel. One grove was so deep that it cracked the wheel. So much damage was caused to the wheel that it wasn't repairable.


If you're asking why I used those spacers? I had them laying around and they were just the right thickness for my wheels to clear the coilovers. I was too lazy and cheap to buy the right ones. Completely a dumb move and I can't argue that. I did buy some ECS spacers for the front that have worked great so far. I'm just grateful I didn't kill anyone or my car. Besides the damage to the wheel, the only other damage was to the leading edge of the bumper cover as the wheel rolled out and some touch-up paint will fix that.
That leads me to my next bad decision. I put the only complete set I had at the time on and they are from a 987. Not the worse thing but 987 wheels are skinnier than 986 wheels and it wasn't the look I was after. Semi-desperate that I am, I had a customer offer to trade me some 19 inch wheels for a set of 17x8.5 wheels for his boxster that he's turning into a spec. I prefer 17's or 18's but I can live with 19's. So I drive up to Dallas and we switched out the wheels at his house. I get a look at the back side of them and they're cheap knock-offs. Disappointed at that I still go ahead with the deal. I figure I'd try them out. Those 18's were knock offs and they seem to perform as good as the factory 17's. It only took five minutes of driving before I realized that they suck. The 19's are boat anchors and it feels like I lost 50hp! The ride quality is a little worse too. They looked good on his car but on mine it might be a little too much.



On a good note, while I was up there I got a free alignment and ROW tune from a friend at Porsche of Plano! I kept getting an O2 code from the rear sensors even with the O2 sensor foolers. No check engine light since then.
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:49 AM   #2
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My theory is that the gasket maker I used to secure the crappy spacer gave enough space and cushion to allow vibration that worked the lug bolts loose. I also believe the aftermarket lug bolts that came with the spacers were not long enough.
Hello Woody,

first i think you had a lot of luck. No big damage to your car, to you or to other people.

I think you're absolutely right. From the pictures it looks like there is some kind of black stuff on the spacer - maybe this is the gasket maker?

It is extremely important that there is no paint, primer or anything else between disc, spacer and wheel. Only bare metal is allowed. Even rust should be removed and the fine lines on the wheel where the wheel fits to the brake disc should always be kept clean.

Overtorqued wheel lugs can also be a problem. There where a lot of very big crashes caused by overtorqued wheel lugs of non pro drivers on the Nürburgring in the last years.

Corvette looses rear wheel (lugs overtorqued): https://youtu.be/G-6S8lVBYno

My recommendation is to buy safety relevant parts always new. Wheel lugs, brake pads, break lines are for example parts i would always buy new. Even tyres – you never know what have happened to them before - even if they look good. A friend of mine went to a race track in june (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium). He had bought used track tyres that were mounted on the car, because he had no opportunity to transport a second tyre set. At 270 Km/h (approx 170 mph) the right rear tyre exploded. He is a good driver with a lot of race experience and there was no traffic on the Autobahn, so he could manage to get the car under control and stop it without any damage. He had really a lot of luck this day.

So safety always first.

Regards, Markus
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