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Old 01-21-2024, 03:24 PM   #1
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Diagnostic help needed! Hot film MAF and low oxygen adaptation.

I need some diagnostic help on my 2001 Boxster S. I recently performed some maintenance and a few test drives later got some error codes

Maintenance:

- New spark plugs, tubes/o-rings, and coil packs. Test drive was fine no misfires, etc. I burned off some on of the engine cleaner that dripped on the cats, but no issues. (Note: old tubes were leaking, old spark plugs were for a 2.5l not a 3.2l, all old coil packs were fine, but I replaced them anyway).

- Gear oil change - drilled the aluminum pan to access the drain plug. Drained/filled no issue once the plugs finally let loose.

- New fuel filter - replaced the fuel filter with no issue. Started fine after a couple cranks to refill the fuel lines, no leaks, smells, hesitation, etc.

- New engine mount - replaced the worn engine mount with the new 987 style mount. Had a little trouble lowering and raising the engine. I put the jack behind the oil pan toward the transmission near the cable that ties the engine to the chassis. this caused the engine to tilt a little more forward when lowering and made raising it harder. It lowered 3-4 inches and when I raised it back up I squished out some of the fluid in the passenger side transmission mount. I was mad mad mad at myself for not just placing the jack on the oil pan instead. Anyway, car started up fine and ran smoother than ever.

Issue:

Car was riunning better then every, then on the third or fourth test drive, I was cruising down the highway at about 80-85 mph. I had some right front wheel vibration that I still haven't sorted out yet. Pretty sure the tire is out of balance. Anyway, during that period of vibration, the check engine light beeped and may have flashed. So i pull off the highway and looked over the car. No leaks, smoke, rough idle, noises, etc. So I drove it home slowly hoping it was just a hiccup in the system after all the changes.

The next morning on a cold start the car ran a little rough and made a little rattling on the driver side near the catalytic converter. Sounded like a screw rattling. But it went away after the SAI kicked off (i think). It doesn't rattle everytime, but something is off and its idling just a tad rough.

I got an ODBII code reader and this is what popped up.
P0102 - Hot film MAF Sensor
P1126 - Oxygen sensing adaptation, lower load range, bank 1
P1133 - Oxygen sensing adaptation, lower load range, bank 2

Thoughts:

I thought maybe I knocked something loose when I lowered and raised the engine. So I "popped" the hood and started looking around, but nothing seems disconnected on the intake or the SAI. The oil filler tube also seems fine, no big oil leaks or anything. When driving the car in and out of the garage with the engine cover off I can hear a pressure release sound when I give it gas under load. Not sure if that's normal.

I could try a new MAF sensor, but I find it hard to believe the MAF went out right during my test drive window. Is there something obvious I should be checking? I was expecting to find some kind of intake leak or blockage.

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Both the 1126 and 1133 are typically an indication of an intake aire leak.
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Do you think itís likely between airbox and throttle body?

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Both the 1126 and 1133 are typically an indication of an intake aire leak.
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Do you think itís likely between airbox and throttle body?
Without a smoke test, no way of telling....................
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That's what I was afraid of. Here's the plan for now. Please let me know if there is a better way to do.

1. Test MAF values in live data in my code reader (if possible).
2. Clean MAF and reset/retest.
3. Assuming I still have a problem, remove intake tube, cover the throttle body and smoke the rest of the intake system via one of the connections behind the throttle.
4. Fix any leaks and clean throttle body.
5. Pray to the Porsche gods for mercy!

There is a little bit of oily build up at the connection between the oil filler accordion and the part that attaches to the engine. no drips on the engine. Could the be my culprit?

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Quick update. I decided to start my pulling and cleaning the throttle body. That way there would be more room to look around for anything obviously wrong.

The throttle body is dirty (64K and probably never cleaned), but pretty clean from behind the valve and through the intake manifold. There is some oil, but I think it is acceptable. The PO said the AOS was replaced at some point. Please let me know if this amount of oil looks troubling or not.

There was also a strong gas smell from inside the intake. You could immediately smell it after removing the throttle body.

That said, there is damp residue all over the lower pivot for the resonance tube valve. I've read this could be power steering overflow and there is a small old gooey puddle of it in one of the crevices on the block. Do you think this valve could be my vacuum leak? Or this is just old power steering fluid?
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Old 01-23-2024, 01:43 PM   #7
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Or this is just old power steering fluid?
Have you taste it? (seriously..) as oil and hydraulic fluid taste completely different.. you don't need to drink it, just the tip of your finger will give you an accurate taste..
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I dabbed a piece of paper towel in it and smelled it....but it didn't smell like anything....iI guess I should have tasted it!

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Have you taste it? (seriously..) as oil and hydraulic fluid taste completely different.. you don't need to drink it, just the tip of your finger will give you an accurate taste..
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Old 01-23-2024, 05:23 PM   #11
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Here's a shot of the resonance flap hinge.

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Old 01-23-2024, 06:33 PM   #12
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The check valve going into the resonance tube boot is oily on the boot side. The PCV valve is also very wet/oily.

To replace to replace the check valve, is it just press fit?
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Here are pictures of the PCV and check valve.




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Do you think I should be concerned about the gas smell in the intake? Could it be a bad regeneration valve for the evap?
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Do you think I should be concerned about the gas smell in the intake? Could it be a bad regeneration valve for the evap?
I would worry about the oily residue and oil saturated dirt all over the engine.
It is definitive proof of multiple vacuum leaks.
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I would worry about the oily residue and oil saturated dirt all over the engine.
It is definitive proof of multiple vacuum leaks.
+1 Yes! The first step would be to clean your engine then start troubleshooting
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Thanks, Iíve been cleaning as I go by hand. I really want to spray this thing down and start fresh, but now is not the time for that. And for the record I didnít let it get this way, but itís on me for buying such a dirty car.

I just cleaned the MAF sensor and sucked a few small pieces of leaves off the air straightener. No oil in the intake tube, but a little dusty. MAF wasnít too bad.

I just ordered a smoke machine. I guess weíll see what we find.

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+1 Yes! The first step would be to clean your engine then start troubleshooting
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Thanks, Iíve been cleaning as I go by hand. I really want to spray this thing down and start fresh, but now is not the time for that. And for the record I didnít let it get this way, but itís on me for buying such a dirty car.

I just cleaned the MAF sensor and sucked a few small pieces of leaves off the air straightener. No oil in the intake tube, but a little dusty. MAF wasnít too bad.

I just ordered a smoke machine. I guess weíll see what we find.
You may want to look at the condition of your air filter while your in there.
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Fortunately, the air filter is new and there were only a couple very small leaves in the bottom of the box.

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You may want to look at the condition of your air filter while your in there.
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Old 01-27-2024, 09:30 AM   #20
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I spent the last week mapping out each of the vacuum systems and AOS tubes and I think I finally understand what everything is. Smoke machine has arrived and smoke will be commencing in T minus 1hr.

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