I read where the 2.7 motor blows up for no real reason...

[Brucelee]

Now on the NEWER side of the ledger, here is a post from a concurrent thread:

[B]Hi all,

Been really busy lately and haven't been following the forum. Thought i'd report back on my car.

Replaced my rear tires at 18,800 miles. Also got my third tranny replaced at 18,800 miles under warranty. This is going to be a sticking point with me and Porsche...

At 20,098 I put the car in for service. Got the minor maintenance done and replaced the brakes, which were below 10%.

A brake job consists of pads, rotors and parts. $695. Minor maintenance is something in the $200+ range. This is all at Pioneer Centres, San Diego.

Luckily I had a 15% off coupon that they'd sent me for both jobs. Grand total was therefore $963.43.

At the same time I also reported a bit of funny handling and a clunky sound from the rear passenger side. We surmised that it might be a sway bar end link, which is apparently a common mode of failure for these cars.

When I came to pick up my car, I was informed that my right rear shock needed to be replaced. It's a PASM shock too.

Hmm... ditch the car or extended warranty? I love the way it looks and drives, but if major parts keep dying, well, that's no good...
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2005 Seal Grey Boxster S
987 Amberectomy

[Dr. Kill]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

Now on the NEWER side of the ledger, here is a post from a concurrent thread:

[B]Hi all,

Been really busy lately and haven't been following the forum. Thought i'd report back on my car.

Replaced my rear tires at 18,800 miles. Also got my third tranny replaced at 18,800 miles under warranty. This is going to be a sticking point with me and Porsche...

At 20,098 I put the car in for service. Got the minor maintenance done and replaced the brakes, which were below 10%.

A brake job consists of pads, rotors and parts. $695. Minor maintenance is something in the $200+ range. This is all at Pioneer Centres, San Diego.

Luckily I had a 15% off coupon that they'd sent me for both jobs. Grand total was therefore $963.43.

At the same time I also reported a bit of funny handling and a clunky sound from the rear passenger side. We surmised that it might be a sway bar end link, which is apparently a common mode of failure for these cars.

When I came to pick up my car, I was informed that my right rear shock needed to be replaced. It's a PASM shock too.

Hmm... ditch the car or extended warranty? I love the way it looks and drives, but if major parts keep dying, well, that's no good...

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That is just ridiculous. If this is not an exaggeration of some kind, I am sure this is not representative of the true population of these vehicles. Three transmissions before the 20k mark sounds like a lemon to me.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Dr. Kill

That is just ridiculous. If this is not an exaggeration of some kind, I am sure this is not representative of the true population of these vehicles. Three transmissions before the 20k mark sounds like a lemon to me.

...or a non-driver.

[Brucelee]

"That is just ridiculous. If this is not an exaggeration of some kind, I am sure this is not representative of the true population of these vehicles. Three transmissions before the 20k mark sounds like a lemon to me."

Perhaps. How about the other items mentioned?

I have to say that I have been driving for nearly 40 yrs, and am not gentle with my cars. I have NEVER replaced a trans.

Go figure!

PS-remember Porsche changed trans makers in 2005!

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

"That is just ridiculous. If this is not an exaggeration of some kind, I am sure this is not representative of the true population of these vehicles. Three transmissions before the 20k mark sounds like a lemon to me."

Perhaps. How about the other items mentioned?

I have to say that I have been driving for nearly 40 yrs, and am not gentle with my cars. I have NEVER replaced a trans.

Go figure!

PS-remember Porsche changed trans makers in 2005!

My 2002 Boxster S had its transmission replaced at 12,000 miles. It now has 17,500 miles...

[Dr. Kill]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

...or a non-driver.

I think that particular car might have just been cursed. It seems likely given the situation.

Bruce - you are right, that is a long list of problems. Knock on wood I am almost at 17k and have been trouble free.

[z12358]

Brucelee:
Now on the NEWER side of the ledger, here is a post from a concurrent thread:

Now that we left logic and common sense to the wolfes... I'm not much into "evidence" fist-fights but here's a pic from a current grin-fest. 200 Porsches aged 1-30 yrs providing copius amounts of joy to their enthusiastic owners. Two full days of high performance driving -- not one "issue". I guess, according to your standards of discourse, I should be able to rest my case now -- of course, until you pound back with more hard hitting "evidence" by reposting the next flat tire "incident" the moment it occurs.

Please do not underestimate the info you can gain from the markets. Do not brush off the high profit margins as insignificant. Your service manager said that the warranty claims were "VERY VERY high", but that Porsche charges a lot for its cars too. Ask yourself, could Porsche be charging such a premium for its cars over DECADES if the frequency and severity of their issues were that outrageous and their designs were that bad? Both sides of the profit margin equation (revenues per car AND cost per car, including warranty claims) are screaming something at you. You only need to listen. Could Yugo and Pinto have simply increased prices in order to increase profit margins and make their businesses viable?

To cut the long story short. For Porsche to be standing behind a 4 year warranty on high performance vehicles with such expensive parts and maintenance AND to have the buying public willingly pay such a premium for their cars is no small feat. There has to be something GOOD going on there, and the "issues" couldn't possibly be that bad. As a confirmation, add to this the free will and the business cases of the third-party extended warranty providers that provide Porsche warranties for prices comparable to Porsche's high-performance peers.

Z.

[Brucelee]

Now that we left logic and common sense to the wolfes... I'm not much into "evidence" fist-fights but here's a pic from a current grin-fest. 200 Porsches aged 1-30 yrs providing copius amounts of joy to their enthusiastic owners. Two full days of high performance driving -- not one "issue". I guess, according to your standards of discourse, I should be able to rest my case now -- of course, until you pound back with more hard hitting "evidence" by reposting the next flat tire "incident" the moment it occurs.

This of course, proves that Porsche's are popular. Who said they were not? This thread is about existing flaws in the engine design of the 986/987/996/997. How does this picture address this issue?

I also don't see any 944s in this picture. I think they are all getting new timing belts?

Please do not underestimate the info you can gain from the markets. Do not brush off the high profit margins as insignificant. Your service manager said that the warranty claims were "VERY VERY high", but that Porsche charges a lot for its cars too. Ask yourself, could Porsche be charging such a premium for its cars over DECADES if the frequency and severity of their issues were that outrageous and their designs were that bad? Both sides of the profit margin equation (revenues per car AND cost per car, including warranty claims) are screaming something at you. You only need to listen. Could Yugo and Pinto have simply increased prices in order to increase profit margins and make their businesses viable?

The problem with your logic is that Porsche has not been very profitable for DECADES. In fact, when they broght out the Boxster, they were close to being bankrupt. Hence, your reliance on the profit margin thing is limited to more current events.

Moreover, Porsche increased its warranty due to market forces, not profits or because their cars are all that good. This was done in response to Mercedes, Lexus et al. Hey, you gonna charge me $95Grand for a 911 and warranty it for 36 months????????????

BTW-why use Yugo as an analogy? Same quality?

To cut the long story short. For Porsche to be standing behind a 4 year warranty on high performance vehicles with such expensive parts and maintenance AND to have the buying public willingly pay such a premium for their cars is no small feat. There has to be something GOOD going on there, and the "issues" couldn't possibly be that bad. As a confirmation, add to this the free will and the business cases of the third-party extended warranty providers that provide Porsche warranties for prices comparable to Porsche's high-performance peers.

This is just laughable. You would like to dismiss acknowledged and clear engine design failures with this logic.

I love it!

[z12358]

Brucelee:
"This is just laughable. You would like to dismiss acknowledged and clear engine design failures with this logic."

We obviously come from different planets and I'd rather not say what I think about YOUR logic. So let's just leave it at that.

Z.