I read where the 2.7 motor blows up for no real reason... - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

berj · 10-26-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ohioboxster

I have one thing to say, there is no way in hell that its a 1 out of 4 ratio that has failure. Thats a quarter of the cars produced. Come on, please beoytches.........

On a quiet night you can here Porsches exploding all across America.

Yeah.. I'm kinda with you on that. I mean, really. Don't you think we'd be in class-action territory here? Some guys caused a *huge* friggin' stink over the battery life in i-pods.. It was like the shot heard 'round the world. Then there was some guy making a stink online about easily scratched i-pod nano screens. These things cost less than $500 and people were in an uproar.

Now 20-25% of the people paying $50,000US for a car are having it die on them and not a peep from the media? No lawsuits? Seriously?

10-26-2006, 03:51 PM

My engine blew-up today just sitting in Winter Storage!

I hear too much Zaino can do that to a car!!

Brucelee · 10-26-2006, 04:01 PM

We will never really know how many engines tank, leak etc. That data is just never going to see the light of day.

Personally, I think the Boxster is a fine car that has some very flawed engineering.

I can tell you there are plenty of engines out there that are both strong performers and quite durable.

Time for Porsche to step up to the plate. Wait, they don't have to, they have strong profits.

Hmmm, interesting.

MNBoxster · 10-26-2006, 04:13 PM

Hi,

Z12358, Super66, OHBoxster, berj, bmussatti →↓

10-26-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

Z12358, Super66, OHBoxster, berj, bmussatti →↓

I guess that I am just a monkey (or gorilla) in pants!!

Grizzly · 10-26-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bmussatti

I guess that I am just a monkey (or gorilla) in pants!!

Wow! You have pants?!?!

Brucelee · 10-26-2006, 04:30 PM

I love Gorillas. They are so expressive.

Strong too!

JackG · 10-26-2006, 05:17 PM

of Brucelee and MNBoxster.

ohioboxster · 10-26-2006, 05:28 PM

I HAD a gorilla but it blew up.

berj · 10-26-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

Z12358, Super66, OHBoxster, berj, bmussatti ??

Come now..

Believe me.. you seem to have me confused with those 'Porsche can do no wrong' folks. I've got no interest. As I've mentioned before.. I like this car.. not the brand. Moreover, I could care less what the "reputation" of the car is.. doesn't make me feel small to hear people talking it down. If, indeed, there are such design flaws in the car with such high rates of failure as you're describing then I'll be first in line to point the fingers at Porsche (and put my money where my mouth is).

I'd just like to know where you're getting these numbers. I simply find it interesting that there's a distinct *lack* of reporting of *any* kind about such widespread failure rates. (aside from forums such as this)

z12358 · 10-26-2006, 05:32 PM

berj:
"I'd just like to know where you're getting these numbers. I simply find it interesting that there's a distinct *lack* of reporting of *any* kind about such widespread failure rates. (aside from forums such as this)"

It's a conspiracy I tell you. Porsche and the whole world (except for us gullible buyers) are in on it. Porsche has bought them all with our very own hard earned money that they stole from us. Our little forum is one of the rare lucky ones to have Rich and Jim let us in on the real deal.

Z.

z12358 · 10-26-2006, 05:52 PM

Sammy:
"Does Toyota, Lexus, BMW, MB, Ferrari have issues with catastrophic engine failure due to a design flaw?"

I feel like we're going in circles here. Neither does Porsche! I thought we already concluded that if Porsche did have these big issues it would go bankrupt by paying warranty claims. 4 years is a long time to be exposed to a 1 in 4 chance of a $30k+ warranty claim on every car they sell.

A bunch of scared and unhappy customers vs. a couple extra bucks of profit (since you are inferring that this is a few and far between problem).

Or you could just be exagerating. Porsche may not be concerned simply because there may not be as many scared people as you are led to believe, and not because they are profit hungry capitalist monsters with no concern about the longevity of their brand. Believe me, they know much better than either of us what it takes to keep selling their cars.

I'm not losing sleep by any means, but I am keeping track of this for the next time I buy a vehicle. My dreams of a Carrera are becoming much cloudier...

You shouldn't buy a Carrera anyway. The Box is a much better design.

Z.

MNBoxster · 10-26-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by berj

Come now..

Believe me.. you seem to have me confused with those 'Porsche can do no wrong' folks. I've got no interest. As I've mentioned before.. I like this car.. not the brand. Moreover, I could care less what the "reputation" of the car is.. doesn't make me feel small to hear people talking it down. If, indeed, there are such design flaws in the car with such high rates of failure as you're describing then I'll be first in line to point the fingers at Porsche (and put my money where my mouth is).

I'd just like to know where you're getting these numbers. I simply find it interesting that there's a distinct *lack* of reporting of *any* kind about such widespread failure rates. (aside from forums such as this)

Hi,

You're probbably right, it's all just one big overreaction...

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=262302&highlight=rms

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1980762&postid=20792732

http://www.pca.org/tech/tech_qa_question.asp?id={581DA672-0984-4130-AA08-47A83948709E}

http://boxster.wikia.com/wiki/Engine_&_Transmission

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=179949

http://experts.about.com/q/Porsche-795/RMS.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=137&h=&t=211023

http://www.porscheclub.com/mboard/forums/printer-friendly.asp?tid=954&mid=

http://www.automotiveforums.com/t360874-unhappy_jaguar_owner.html

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=770713#post770713

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127804&page=2

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-readers.aspx?RT=%09%09%09705

http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=15408

http://www.germanautoforums.com/m_5018/mpage_1/tm.htm#7952

http://www.porkers.co.uk/topic.asp?t=156325&f=48&h=0

http://www.funcarsonline.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=64832&page=

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Brucelee · 10-26-2006, 06:21 PM

Actually, the engine design issues around the Int shaft failures and the RMS are well documented and commented upon in Panorama, which as you know, is hardly anti-Porsche. This information is presented matter of factly, much in the same manner as when they comment on the 944 engine losing timing belts and along with them, valves, cams etc.

Moreover, if you have been a Porsche used car dealer like I have, or if you spend a lot of time at a dealer where the service bays are accessable (which I have) you would be astonished by how many of the cars there have to whole engine/trans unit out of the car. I don't think this is done to detail the engine compartment but, hey you never know.

I have no idea if 25% is the right number on these engines. However, there appears to be no dispute that there are several design flaws in the engine alone.

My service tech readily admits to this and told me point blank he is not allowed to tell me how many of these engines actually fail.

This is all just data. No one said the sky is falling, just that it might!

Brucelee · 10-26-2006, 06:24 PM

BTW- it is significant that my dealer can obtain a replacement engine from Porsche in 24 hours. Why do you suppose that these are so readily available?

berj · 10-26-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

You're probbably right, it's all just one big overreaction...

Jim, you know as well as I do that reports on these lists mean pretty much nothing in terms of percentages of owners having problems. I'd never say that this is not a problem; obviously it is. All I'm disputing is the numbers you're quoting. Nothing more.

So.. I'll ask again, more directly. Where does the '1 in 4' figure come from?

z12358 · 10-26-2006, 06:37 PM

MNBoxster:
"You're probbably right, it's all just one big overreaction..."

What a well prepared list. Seems like "the issue" has earned a special "favorites" folder. For the sake of making a point, I assume you counted how many people posting on those forums had friends or neighbors experiencing catastrophic engine failures. 20? more?

Now "Jims" from those forums are probably going to post a link to this thread of ours thus proving once again to the gullible others there how bad things have really become. This issue is getting worse by the minute.

Z.

MNBoxster · 10-26-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by z12358

MNBoxster:
"You're probbably right, it's all just one big overreaction..."

What a well prepared list. Seems like "the issue" has earned a special "favorites" folder. For the sake of making a point, I assume you counted how many people posting on those forums had friends or neighbors experiencing catastrophic engine failures. 20? more?

Now "Jims" from those forums are probably going to post a link to this thread of ours thus proving once again to the gullible others there how bad things have really become. This issue is getting worse by the minute.

Z.

Hi,

Not at all well-prepared, all I did was type Boxter RMS problem? in Yahoo's search engine and there were more than 25 pages of results, I only drew from the first 6 pages. You are trying to defend an indefensible position in the face of all the evidence, anecdotal or not. Can't wait to hear from you when your garage floor is covered with Mobil1...

Happy Motoring... Jim'99