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Oldcarguy 02-17-2018 12:07 PM

Serious Plastic Welding - It worked for me
 
While working on my 14 year old 986 across the last year I've occasionally come across cracked or broken plastic body parts. Rather than to continue to order and wait to receive a new part via UPS (my nearest Porsche dealer is a ~4 hr round trip), I decided to check out plastic welders to try and make repairs. This saves project time waiting for parts and sometimes $$$. Also, I'm waiting on my wheels and Brombacher to be delivered so I have some downtime.

As always, a lot of junk out there. Turns out there are two types of serious plastic welders - ceramic core/metal tip and nitrogen forced air tip. I decided that the nitrogen forced air was too much for my needs (although generally considered superior), so I went for a Polyvance 5700HT Mini Weld Model 7 Airless Plastic Welder. It's basically a 200 watt instrument similar to a soldering iron on steroids with an adjustable temp control, two special tips (a feeder tip and a finishing tip), a bunch of different welding rods, reinforcing screen, an instructional DVD and an invaluable book on plastic types and plastic repair methods. Here's a pic:

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There are two principal types of plastic welding - fusion repair and adhesive bonding repair. You generally use fusion repair when you know specifically the material you are repairing (so you can use a compatible welding rod and correct welding temperature) and you use adhesive bonding repair when you are unsure of the material or under other certain special circumstances. I did a fusion repair.

The Problem - a crack on the rear left side inner fender liner that started on the corner seam and that was making its way up the liner. I drilled the hole seen in the left side of my red outline to stop the crack (it had turned, you could see the crack end better from the side not shown):

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First step was to determine what type of material I was repairing. It's the first two letters of the circled marking (PP - polypropylene) :

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Check the handy included booklet to determine material type, repair processes and welding rod type :

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Select the correct rod and set the control unit to "PP":

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While the iron is heating up, make a valley cut in crack that is 1/2 the thickness of the material. A dremel on low speed worked the me. Be careful, too fast and you'll melt the plastic:

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Apply rod material in the valley and fuse/blend the rod material with the feeder tip and smooth with the feeder tip or finishing tip. I used aluminum tape to hold the piece together while welding:

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Let the repair cool, test it for integrity, sand it and you're gold!

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Because the repair is at the back bottom of the inner fender I did not spend any time with finish sanding. Just knocked off the rough edges. If needed, you can sand to body work prep readiness. No amount of reasonable tugging or pulling could separate the repaired crack and everything flexed just as it should.

Now I'm ready for the next crack, broken tab or cracked bolt hole I come across without waiting for parts, and I have another new tool - bonus!

Geof3 02-18-2018 12:14 AM

Oh... where did you pick up that handy-dandy device? My Jeep has all sorts of plastic on it!

NewArt 02-18-2018 05:17 AM

Thanks for posting this Fred! Great explanation and pictures! :)

rick3000 02-18-2018 05:55 AM

Great work, I have only every seen this done by crosshatching with a soldiering iron, much cleaner and stronger to add some additional plastic. :cheers:

Oldcarguy 02-18-2018 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Geof3 (Post 563010)
Oh... where did you pick up that handy-dandy device? My Jeep has all sorts of plastic on it!

Hi Geof, I got mine on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IEX6NME/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Don’t buy it directly at the Polyvance site, it’s way more expensive for the same kit!

Regarding your Jeep, same for me. I’ll get a lot of use out of it for our atvs, off-road buggy and racing kart also.

Oldcarguy 02-18-2018 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NewArt (Post 563018)
Thanks for posting this Fred! Great explanation and pictures! :)

Hi NewArt, you’re welcome! BTW I really like your YouTube channel.

Oldcarguy 02-18-2018 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rick3000 (Post 563026)
Great work, I have only every seen this done by crosshatching with a soldiering iron, much cleaner and stronger to add some additional plastic. :cheers:

Hi Rick, thanks! I’m really happy with the result. Matching the temperature and rod to the material to be repaired seems to be the key. As the name implies, using the fusion technique actually integrates the rod material into the original material. Here’s the Polyvance video on the 5700 unit. It’s worth a watch if you’re interested in plastic repair.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xYLF9DJM-YU

Zibodo 02-19-2018 06:05 PM

Some of the mounting holes at the bottom of my front bumper have torn out during years of use. Not sure what the bumper cover material is but do you think your welder might be a solution? I’m on an eternal search to eliminate rattles

78F350 02-19-2018 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcarguy (Post 563034)

Fred, I've been resisting getting one of these for years. I've had mixed results with a heat gun, soldering iron, and epoxy. You finally convinced me. Thanks for posting this.
Now I think I can do a good job repairing the damaged belly panels on my 550 SE rather than buying new.
:cheers:

Oldcarguy 02-19-2018 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zibodo (Post 563148)
Some of the mounting holes at the bottom of my front bumper have torn out during years of use. Not sure what the bumper cover material is but do you think your welder might be a solution? I’m on an eternal search to eliminate rattles

Hi Zibodo. The dvd that came with my kit shows how to repair torn out mounting holes as well as create entirely new tabs to replace broken/missing tabs. The key is to match the rod to the material being repaired, use the correct level of heat and follow the recommended repair technique.

There are rods included for the common bumper materials so I think the kit might address your needs. Check out the Polyvance videos on YouTube or their website for more info.

Oldcarguy 02-19-2018 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 78F350 (Post 563150)
Fred, I've been resisting getting one of these for years. I've had mixed results with a heat gun, soldering iron, and epoxy. You finally convinced me. Thanks for posting this.
Now I think I can do a good job repairing the damaged belly panels on my 550 SE rather than buying new.
:cheers:

You’re welcome! I hope it does help with your 550SE resurrection project :cheers:

particlewave 02-19-2018 08:14 PM

I've been doing this with a soldering iron for decades. Filler rods seem unnecessary...unless you're building new material or missing a section. I've never needed them. ;)


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Oldcarguy 02-20-2018 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 563155)
I've been doing this with a soldering iron for decades. Filler rods seem unnecessary...unless you're building new material or missing a section. I've never needed them. ;)

in my younger days when I was doing a lot of car models, I used to mod and rebond with only an old knife heated on the stove. Occasionally across the years I’ve successfully called this skill into action on my cars and motorcyles also :D

particlewave 02-20-2018 08:06 AM

Welding plastic is definitely a fine art. :)


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