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davedeck 07-29-2012 10:14 AM

De snorkled
 
I don't know how much RWHP I gained by de-snorkling the beast but it added 50 HP to the sound!

Olin 07-29-2012 02:23 PM

Davedeck, what if any are the disadvantages. I've been thinking about doing it, but figure it's there for a reason. Any ideas or thoughts that may help me in my decision to desnorkel or not desnorkel.

Mark_T 07-29-2012 03:43 PM

Oh Noes!! Not another de-snorkling pros/cons thread! :rolleyes:

tonycarreon 07-29-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olin (Post 299601)
Davedeck, what if any are the disadvantages. I've been thinking about doing it, but figure it's there for a reason. Any ideas or thoughts that may help me in my decision to desnorkel or not desnorkel.

its tere for noise emissions...

removed mine a few years ago. no issues. lots of threads, just do a quick search.

Jager 07-29-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davedeck (Post 299582)
I don't know how much RWHP I gained by de-snorkling the beast but it added 50 HP to the sound!

Look at the first post on this thread:

http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/9671-finally-dyno-charts-de-snorked-986s-6.html

Olin 07-30-2012 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonycarreon (Post 299608)
its tere for noise emissions...

removed mine a few years ago. no issues. lots of threads, just do a quick search.

Thanks Tony, hadn't, heard the terminology before, or being new to this forum didn,t realize it had such a big thread previously.

Obviously pissed off others for asking the question.

Done the research now and much wiser.

davedeck 07-30-2012 08:59 AM

Hey Olin ya gotta be thick skinned to run with this bunch. I haven't noticed any real performance change but the sound is worth running with the top down in 106 degrees

CoBeerToad 07-30-2012 09:57 AM

My mission was to do this yesterday. I failed miserably. I just cannot get the blinds to pop. Maybe I'm just skeered? I've read at least 5 articles on this with pictures. If I'm having this much trouble getting the blinds pushed in, I'm really scared as to how much trouble it will be to pull the tube out, which I heard is the hard part. My next option will be to use a hammer on them unless someone has some information that is not in the step by step instructions.

Crono0001 07-30-2012 10:51 AM

Hammer is not the way to go. Just push harder

golonaus 07-30-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoBeerToad (Post 299665)
My mission was to do this yesterday. I failed miserably. I just cannot get the blinds to pop. Maybe I'm just skeered? I've read at least 5 articles on this with pictures. If I'm having this much trouble getting the blinds pushed in, I'm really scared as to how much trouble it will be to pull the tube out, which I heard is the hard part. My next option will be to use a hammer on them unless someone has some information that is not in the step by step instructions.





I just stuffed my hand in there and pulled it out
2 sekonds operAtion

Stop by if you want
I'll help out
I'm 60659

Olin 07-30-2012 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davedeck (Post 299657)
Hey Olin ya gotta be thick skinned to run with this bunch. I haven't noticed any real performance change but the sound is worth running with the top down in 106 degrees

Haha thanks Dave, I will obviously have to lift my game. :cheers:

Might have to give this desnorkelling a try, I was a tad concerned about water and crap getting in. They sure need a little bit of noise though.

Cheers mate

CoBeerToad 07-31-2012 09:49 AM

I may take you up on that. You're about an hour north of me. I'm in Lansing IL. I'll get in touch with you on this board when I'll be able to make the trip. This weekend is out because I am becoming old this weekend and the car will be parked and I will more than likely be drunk. Thanks.

Overdrive 07-31-2012 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olin (Post 299685)
Might have to give this desnorkelling a try, I was a tad concerned about water and crap getting in.

As long as you don't go and spray a bunch of water directly into the intake duct you should be fine.

Just to be on the safe side I'm going to cut some mesh and put it over the hole that the snorkel will be leaving once it's removed, but I'm not really worried about anything the snorkel is alleged to prevent.

Olin 07-31-2012 12:19 PM

Thanks O/D sounds like a plan. I was thinking along those thoughts. Will give it a go shortly.

:cheers:

Ghostrider 310 07-31-2012 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono0001 (Post 299669)
Hammer is not the way to go. Just push harder



Ya know? I have to laugh I'm a perfect 3/3 (3 cars three breaks) for the cursive writing that Porsche makes from the same high quality plastic used in CD holders. Couldn't they just ask GE to make them out of Lexan? They would outlast the car! Anyway no hijack point being you don't want to force ANY Porsche plastic unless you want to be replacing it. Especially those blinds that have a small foot that fits into a sleeve that just happens to be at the end of a dainty plastic arm.

Overdrive 07-31-2012 01:29 PM

I've tried a few times to remove the body-colored vent surround first instead of pushing on the vanes to try and get access to those clips to push on them rather than directly on the vanes. I felt like the vanes were so flimsy when I pushed on them that they would snap and leave me with an ugly gaping hole while I wait for new vanes to come in. That being said, I can't see how one can remove either of these pieces without a good amount of force involved. The surround just wouldn't come out, and I didn't want to see just how far I could push before the vanes cracked. Am I just being skittish or will that 15 year old plastic indeed give way before coming out of its clipping points?

tonycarreon 07-31-2012 02:12 PM

i remember thinking the same thing. i wish i could offer more advice, but it was 2 years ago when i removed mine. i just remember being certain it was going to break, and i remember i ended up doing it wrong. in the end, nothing broke and once i finally got done i realized just how wrong i went about it.

**edit**
so i found a post where i mentioned what i did wrong. http://986forum.com/forums/218912-post26.html looks like i didn't push on the vents and loosen them before trying to remove the surround. from what i've seen, you have to push the vents loose, then remove the surround, then remove the vents from the clips.

jaykay 07-31-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonycarreon (Post 299809)
i remember thinking the same thing. i wish i could offer more advice, but it was 2 years ago when i removed mine. i just remember being certain it was going to break, and i remember i ended up doing it wrong. in the end, nothing broke and once i finally got done i realized just how wrong i went about it.

**edit**
so i found a post where i mentioned what i did wrong. http://986forum.com/forums/218912-post26.html looks like i didn't push on the vents and loosen them before trying to remove the surround. from what i've seen, you have to push the vents loose, then remove the surround, then remove the vents from the clips.

You need to separate the vanes from the outer piece before withdrawal. You actually have to push in on the vane to free them from the clips (to sheet metal)ing before pulling out the outer piece. The trick is to find the small rests on the outer body coloured piece and dislodge the vane piece off of them before pushing in to get it of the clips.......phew

You really have to look for these they are tiny and very hard to see.....get it wrong and you could break something

Allen K. Littlefield 08-03-2012 08:49 AM

Protective screen
 
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1344012427.jpg

Here is how a 1/4 mesh screen (hardware cloth) looks added to the back of an '03 vent. Keeps cigarettes and leaves out of the intake after de -snorkeling.

AKL

Mark_T 08-03-2012 09:45 AM

I've been de-snork'd for about 3 years. I drive on all kinds of roads, rain and shine, and I have experienced no problems whatsoever. No water getting in, no leaves, cigarette butts,gum wrappers, bugs... nothing. Perhaps I have just been lucky.

That said, I still think installing a screen is a really good idea , probably looks good too. Got a pic of the view from the outside?

Overdrive 08-03-2012 11:41 AM

I'm interested in an outer view, too, AKL. I wasn't actually thinking of doing this quite like that, but it's got me thinking about this differently now and figuring out what my options are prior to re-install. I was thinking of putting the mesh in the space in front of the intake hole rather than on the vanes. My scoop obviously isn't a single piece like yours is, but maybe I can do something similar. My mesh is more diamon-shaped and maybe the size of two of each of the holes you showed there, but I imagine it will work just as well since anything would be better than nothing, and it's not so fine that it'll restrict airflow.

Allen K. Littlefield 08-03-2012 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_T (Post 300196)
I've been de-snork'd for about 3 years. I drive on all kinds of roads, rain and shine, and I have experienced no problems whatsoever. No water getting in, no leaves, cigarette butts,gum wrappers, bugs... nothing. Perhaps I have just been lucky.

That said, I still think installing a screen is a really good idea , probably looks good too. Got a pic of the view from the outside?

No I don't have an outside pic but I can assure you it is almost invisible. You have to kneel down with a flashlight to really see the mesh. Does not interfere with the looks of the car. I changed my '02 vent cover for the '03 version as I like it better. Just covering the opening where the snorkel used to be would work just as well I imagine.

I have a friend who can do fabricating and I am running an idea by him for at scoop behind the vent that would give a bit of ram affect but not sure it would give enough to be worth the effort. Kinda like those rectangle to round brake ducts seen on 911's. Will keep you posted if it works.

AKL


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