Go Back   986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners > Porsche Boxster & Cayman Forums > Performance and Technical Chat

Post Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-15-2011, 03:27 PM   #1
Registered User
 
The Radium King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,121
new turbo sheriff in town ...

i've been following a thread over at 6speed and ima motorsports has developed a twin turbo kit for the cayman. only a matter of time before it's available for the 986 i suspect. quite a nice looking kit; all cf piping and duct work, ipd plenum, air/water intercooler, and variable vane turbos (ie, power on sooner, no oil lines, no diverter, bov or wastegate). no tune yet so it may not actually work, but cool in theory - easy install, more power, power on sooner. we'll see ...

The Radium King is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 04:32 PM   #2
Registered User
 
Johnny Danger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 4,810
Garage
I spoke with IMA Motor Sports at length last winter regarding a system for my 986. Based on our discussion, it sounded quite feasible that they could make one that would work well with the M96 engine. Big buck$$ though !
__________________
Don't worry … I've got the microfilm.
Johnny Danger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 05:40 PM   #3
Registered User
 
The Radium King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,121
from what i understand it's $2500 just for one turbo (and you need two) not to mention all the ancilliary stuffs. what i like about the variable vane technology is that it doesn't take a lot of exhaust to get it spinning, so it really fattens the torque curve early on without the need for a lot of boost. i still question the use of the third rad for the intercooler; i'd rather try to fit something in the rear wheel wells or under the engine somewhere so that engine cooling isn't compomised.
The Radium King is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 06:23 PM   #4
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 7,243
But can the M96 handle the elevated compression?

... He types waiting for Jake Raby to comment that it most certainly cannot without nikkies and better piston/rings and an IMS upgrade...
RandallNeighbour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 06:51 PM   #5
Registered User
 
Johnny Danger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 4,810
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Radium King
from what i understand it's $2500 just for one turbo (and you need two) not to mention all the ancilliary stuffs. what i like about the variable vane technology is that it doesn't take a lot of exhaust to get it spinning, so it really fattens the torque curve early on without the need for a lot of boost. i still question the use of the third rad for the intercooler; i'd rather try to fit something in the rear wheel wells or under the engine somewhere so that engine cooling isn't compomised.

Depending on how much "gucci" (I'm referring to the amount of carbon fiber)) that I wanted to have incorporated into the design, the price that I was quoted ranged from 14k to 16k for a full system. And that was without installation . If you compare this to TPC's single turbo system that sells for around 10K, the price makes sense .

p.s. This quote also took into consideration reusing my current aftermarket exhaust system .
__________________
Don't worry … I've got the microfilm.

Last edited by Johnny Danger; 07-15-2011 at 06:53 PM.
Johnny Danger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2011, 02:12 AM   #6
Porscheectomy
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Seattle Area
Posts: 3,011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Danger
Depending on how much "gucci" (I'm referring to the amount of carbon fiber)) that I wanted to have incorporated into the design, the price that I was quoted ranged from 14k to 16k for a full system. And that was without installation . If you compare this to TPC's single turbo system that sells for around 10K, the price makes sense .

p.s. This quote also took into consideration reusing my current aftermarket exhaust system .
Add in the cost of the replacement engine...
blue2000s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2011, 03:46 AM   #7
Registered User
 
Johnny Danger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 4,810
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by blue2000s
Add in the cost of the replacement engine...

My thoughts exactly . LOL ! I was more curious than serious when I spoke to them regarding their system. Besides, I've already put far too much into the Dangermobile .
__________________
Don't worry … I've got the microfilm.

Last edited by Johnny Danger; 07-16-2011 at 03:48 AM.
Johnny Danger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2011, 01:47 PM   #8
Registered User
 
jacabean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: mass
Posts: 731
turbo boxster sounds great in theory but the M96 is just not the right motor to do it on.
the best way to go is to have a built up n/a motor or drop a 3.8 x-51 in there. for a few bucks more .
jacabean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 08:09 PM   #9
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Depends on the day of the week....
Posts: 1,400
I couldn't be happier with my NA 3.8 in my 03 S. I would not remotely consider adding boost to an M96 motor, unless it was fully built with upgraded sleeves, Pauter rods, ARP bolts, IMS upgrade, etc.

For the money that you'd have in a properly engineered and installed turbo kit, you could just have a big 996/997 NA motor.
__________________
Boxster S
Cloudsurfer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 11:30 PM   #10
Opposed to Subie Burble
 
Overdrive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Central CT
Posts: 1,197
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloudsurfer
For the money that you'd have in a properly engineered and installed turbo kit, you could just have a big 996/997 NA motor.
Nuff said right there if you ask me. Gimme the 4 litre out of a GT3 (if it'll fit) over a turbo or two any day...what more would you need then with 500 NA hp on tap (besides serious chassis bracing?)
__________________
-O/D

1997 Arctic Silver Boxster, 5-spd
IMSR + RMS
Robbins glass window top
Overdrive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 05:55 AM   #11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: baton rouge
Posts: 840
I have had a twin turbo boxster 2.5 for about 5 years.
At the time I did the turbos I felt there was not a better option for the money.

If I had to do an engine upgrade today for the money I would do a NA engine swap. The cost of the swap has come down so much compared to adding boost to me a swap is the better option now.
__________________
99 TWIN TURBO Boxster 175k+ miles



Growing up the car magazines said how amazing Porsches are. Was I brainwashed? Somehow...I doubt it.

http://www.pcars.us/albums/10641_porsche_cars.jpg
Gary in BR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 06:14 AM   #12
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 7,243
Gary, thanks for weighing in here. You're the voice of experience and I was hoping to hear from you.
RandallNeighbour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 06:44 AM   #13
Opposed to Subie Burble
 
Overdrive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Central CT
Posts: 1,197
Garage
Hey, Gary, how much boost does your setup run, out of curiosity?
__________________
-O/D

1997 Arctic Silver Boxster, 5-spd
IMSR + RMS
Robbins glass window top
Overdrive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 06:54 AM   #14
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: baton rouge
Posts: 840
A mind boggling 5.5

It also has a instercooler mounted below the car.
Attached Images
 
__________________
99 TWIN TURBO Boxster 175k+ miles



Growing up the car magazines said how amazing Porsches are. Was I brainwashed? Somehow...I doubt it.

http://www.pcars.us/albums/10641_porsche_cars.jpg
Gary in BR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 09:24 AM   #15
Opposed to Subie Burble
 
Overdrive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Central CT
Posts: 1,197
Garage
Lol, plenty. What sort of output did you get in the end?
__________________
-O/D

1997 Arctic Silver Boxster, 5-spd
IMSR + RMS
Robbins glass window top
Overdrive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 09:47 AM   #16
Registered User
 
jacabean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: mass
Posts: 731
turbos and motor swaps are just not worth it in my opinion. i think i would sell my car add the money for the new motor and all the other crap your gonna need , plus a couple of bucks and get a 996 Gt3. the mack daddy of them all ! No frankenboxster or I.M.S crap. A real racing engine.
jacabean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 10:20 AM   #17
Porscheectomy
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Seattle Area
Posts: 3,011
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacabean
turbos and motor swaps are just not worth it in my opinion. i think i would sell my car add the money for the new motor and all the other crap your gonna need , plus a couple of bucks and get a 996 Gt3. the mack daddy of them all ! No frankenboxster or I.M.S crap. A real racing engine.
Wayyy more than an engine swap. 996 GT3s are still $60-75k.

Plus then you have to drive around in an a$$-wagger!
blue2000s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 11:18 AM   #18
Registered User
 
jacabean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: mass
Posts: 731
more like 50 to 60K these days
jacabean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 11:24 AM   #19
Porscheectomy
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Seattle Area
Posts: 3,011
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacabean
more like 50 to 60K these days
cars.com - in all of the country, there is one under $58k.

autotrader.com - cheapest in the country is $59,988
blue2000s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2011, 12:23 PM   #20
Registered User
 
jacabean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: mass
Posts: 731
there are a few 996 Gt3 listings on ebay , very low mileage asking low 60K . who pays asking price?

jacabean is offline   Reply With Quote
Post Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page