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Old 06-17-2011, 06:47 AM   #1
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bmc is the company, cda stands for 'carbon dynamic airbox' - an inline cold air intake.

steel or alu; i would let the engineer advise as to the most suitable material.

re. gauges, plx has a multigauge that can display data in various formats - obd info from the computer, or specific sensor data (can mount in a 987 pod on the dash or a steering wheel pod). if you want oil temp, your stereo has the ability to display that. if you install an oil pressure sender on your motor and run the wire forward, a 996 gauge cluster will give volts and oil pressure.

What is required to get an oil temp displayed on the radio?
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Old 06-17-2011, 07:19 AM   #2
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http://www.cb-racing.com/boxster_AC.html

Check that out, Miken.

I know it's not the radio, but it's a way for you to see it.

EDIT: And I just realized by your sig that you've got an 06, so I'm not sure that this would apply any longer, but still an interesting thing to know.
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Old 06-17-2011, 07:32 AM   #3
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my bad; i meant the ac unit not the radio.

ps; you r2specracing guys rock; this is excellent.
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:26 AM   #4
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Car diagnostic tricks which works on 1997- 2000 boxsters.

There is some sort of serial data stream or CAN interface that allows the AC (manufactured by Audi) unit to display engine parameters. Here is a list of what can be seen:

To switch from F to C:
Hold down the recirculating button then push both the temperature + - buttons.

To access diagnostics:
Hold down the Recirculating & Air up buttons for 5 seconds.
The + - buttons go up and down through the list of "c" codes.
The center vent button switches the left display between the "c" code and its actual value.
Press the Auto button to exit.

0c - ERL
1c - Oil Temp?
2c - Inside temp. Sensor mounted in the aspirator assembly at the side of the dash.
3c - Outside temp. Sensor located inside the air inlet of the A/C unit.
4c - Outside temp. Sensor located in front grill of the radiator. The data is fed to the climatronic from the instrument cluster. When not moving, the instrument cluster OBC temp display retains it's last setting until moving. This is to prevent heat emanating from the radiator affecting the temp. sensor. The A/C unit uses the lower of the two outside air temp values in determining fresh-air temp.
5c - Outside temp. (matches with OBC outside temp display)
6c - Coolant temp.
7c - Footwell discharge temp.
8c - Sun sensor (dash top)
9c - Sun sensor.
10c - Passenger compartment fan speed.
11c - Passenger compartment fan voltage.
12c - Temperature mix Flap command 1=COLD, 100=HOT
13c - Temperature mix Flap position
14c - Central Flap command
15c - Central Flap position
16c - Footwell/Defrost Flap command
17c - Footwell/Defrost Flap position
18c - Recirculation Valve command 1=OFF, 100=RECIRC
19c - Recirculation Valve position (feedback)
20c - Vehicle speed in kph, updating only once per second. (real speed, not speed+safety margin as in the speedometer)
21c - Engine RPM in hundreds. This too only updates once per second.
22c - ?
23c - ?
24c - Sun sensor, exterior lights switch & panel lights control (term. 58 & 58d voltage) - used for A/C panel display illum.
25c - ?
26c - ?
27c - ?
28c - Fan speed?
29c - ?
30c - Engine run time in seconds (255 max.)(=0xff)
31c - Timing counter
32c - Displays test
33c - Software version? Mine states 3.4
34c - ?
35c - Outside temp. from inlet sensor (filtered?)
36c - temp?

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Old 06-17-2011, 11:08 AM   #5
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An aluminum skid plate is very doable, we can design it with air vents to help get rid of the heat from the manifold. If its fuel lines those don't get that hot anyway usually.

There is another advantage to running a skid plate, Improved aerodynamics.

Most of the drag created by a car is created under the chassis. The smoother and flatter you can make the chassis the more down force the car will generate, and the more stable it will be at high speeds. Thats why the underside of a 911 is so flat.

In theory a flat belly should make a significant difference.

Timothy, thank you I'll send you a pm to get your contact info. I'm going out of town for a little while but Andrew (by partner) will call you and set up a meet

harryrcb, I just sent you a Pm thanks for the help


Edit: oh I just remembered something, with exhaust you want the pipes to be as hot as possible so trapping the heat may actually be a good thing. The hotter the pipes the hotter the exhaust gases, the hotter the exhaust gases the greater the flow velocity inside the pipes. This will create more power, theoretically.

This is why header heat wraps and thermal coatings make power.

The danger would be transmitting heat to other components, but thats something we would compensate for during the design phase.

also this is a pretty cool shot from one of the tests we did. Its basically showing the temperature distribution through the tube.

This is assuming oil temperatures of 400 degrees and direct heat of 1075F on the tip.


Its not accurate because after we did it we found some other things we didn't factor in, in reality this part will never see any temperatures remotely close to this, because the heads are cooled by the cooling system. The idea behind doing this test is to make sure the part will not melt or expand under usage.

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Old 06-18-2011, 08:46 AM   #6
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Regarding the underbody trays, since we're talking aerodynamic advantages, how about seeing if one of your alternate designs can involve some diffusers that blend well with the rear of the car? Since we've got a center exhaust that leaves plenty of room on either side for some functional diffusers
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I tried that sequence on the 987 and got nothing. I'm guessing that the data is still in the DME; any other thoughts of retrieving water/oil temps from the 987 DME?

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http://www.cb-racing.com/boxster_AC.html

Check that out, Miken.

I know it's not the radio, but it's a way for you to see it.

EDIT: And I just realized by your sig that you've got an 06, so I'm not sure that this would apply any longer, but still an interesting thing to know.
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that process only works on early 986 cars. any of the aftermarket obd devices should give you that; there's even apps you can get for your ipod i believe.
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OMG, yes, diffusers - please!!! An underbody tray(s) which led up to some nice aggresive diffusers would have me 100% sold.

I really would like something like this, carbon would be nice, but alluminium or plastic would be fine:


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Old 06-20-2011, 05:01 AM   #10
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+1, those look awesome! I'd probably color match them, but that looks great, and looks like it works.
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Old 06-21-2011, 03:32 PM   #11
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OMG, yes, diffusers - please!!! An underbody tray(s) which led up to some nice aggresive diffusers would have me 100% sold.

I really would like something like this, carbon would be nice, but alluminium or plastic would be fine:


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Count mer in for this as well, maybe a carbon lip spoiler (a bit GT3 like) that would fit on a 986 S as well would be cool
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:53 PM   #12
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Any news from the engineering dept.?
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