Name this bolt! Multi-part, bazaar mode of failure!
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Who wants to guess what happened first?? I have more pics to share, but they'll give away the mode of failure completely.. See that bolt? what is it? where is it from? It was in perfect condition before it's ride up the "conveyor belt" (timing chain) where it met the exhaust cam and thats finished the engine off. This happened at 60 MPH, the car wasn't on the track.. Bazaar! |
OUCH! Looks like a rod bolt.
My guess is that the bolt somehow worked its way loose, gnashed the timing, and the material in the cylinder is from valve contact. |
The material in the cylinder, is the cylinder... After the rod bolt stretched, worked its way loose and fell into the sump where it was picked up by the timing chain..
The remaining single rod bolt wasn't enough to tie the mass together, so it broke and shot the cap through the top of the block. When the rod became disconnected it acted much like an axe and chopped through the bottom of the cylinder. .......and some people are REUSING the stock rod bolts! |
are you saying this motor ran for a time [it would take some time for the bolt to back out] with one con rod bolt
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I have seen rod bolts break (not on a Porsche) mostly on Toyota 4 cylinders and once a 2.3 Pontiac quad 4. Toyota had a run on them at one time.
they tend to break on the shank midway between the head and threads. once the bolt breaks the bearing usually come out of position, slips under its mate then breaks the opposite rod bolt. usually catastrophic damage ensues. |
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The engine ran like this for a good while, until the remaining bolt snapped from seeing double the normal load as it was trying to retain the rod cap all by it's self. Look closely, the bolt in the picture never broke. Its also not stripped.. It literally fell out during engine operation. .....and people wonder why the only engines I'll warranty are ours with full upgrades! |
I think Porsche should charge Jake
for the entertainment value they provide ... so many puzzles and weird failure modes for him to marvel over.
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I've never seen so much carnage from driving the speed limit! |
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We finished the autopsy.. The entire bottom end of the engine was garbage..
AWESOME! Now to induct these onto the trophy shelf as offerings to the Gods of speed! |
the view..
from an engineering POV it is awesome to see these things scattered about, but as a customer driving the same thing I cringe...
what a condemnation of Porsche business management over quality |
With that blackening on the big end, it looks like the rod bearing had been spinning prior to snapping the other bolt. :eek:
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Any idea if this engine been opened up before or was it a factory built motor?
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Excellent example of why critical bolts don't get installed without final torqueing. |
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The engine still had the factory case half sealant, it had never been torn down. The bolt wasn't installed loose, the material it is made of and the torque to yield nature of it allowed the bolt to loosen over time and operation. |
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as hard as those damn things are to break loose (I must be a whuss, I need a breaker bar to move them), hard to believe they will come loose on their own and back out. Bummer. We've switched to ARP rod bolts on our builds, hope they fair a little better. M |
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The ARP rod bolts are still in development here.. I approach these things that will be included on our engines with extreme care. We'll be running a set in our ITR car next season, I plan on a tear down at 20 hours to measure stretch and etc compared to the stock units.
The main reason for this is to find the optimum torque values and procedures, things that the MFR normally can't dictate absolutely and only practical application will quantify. Until then the billet rods are the only proven solution as they use an ARP custom aged bolt that I have 13 years of experience with at outputs over 650HP. |
Nice description of yet another failure mode. You're having way too much fun at work, makes my day seem boring!
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Thats just it... This isn't work When it becomes work I'll sell the whole place and go find a job. I promise. |
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